The Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked UK Season 1 Episode 4

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00:00Greetings, Traitors superfan, and welcome to the Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked with me, Ed Gamble.

00:06This is your official companion visualised podcast unpacking everything from the show.

00:10So, make sure you've watched episode 4, please, because a world full of spoilers is coming at you right now.

00:17Coming up on Uncloaked, we catch up with Claire Balding straight after her shocking banishment.

00:23Murdered Ruth Cod spills the tea on her castle experience.

00:26We have the exclusive moment I revealed to them both the identity of our traitors.

00:30Plus, it's only castle royalty. Series 2 faithful Diane and Series 2 traitor Paul are both here.

00:41Diane and Paul, welcome back to Uncloaked, the pair of you. Very excited to have you with us again.

00:46Thank you for having us.

00:47Yeah, this is lovely.

00:48And we should clarify right at the top, Diane, Paul isn't your son.

00:53But Ross is.

00:54Well, thank you. It's a legal requirement that you have to do that every time you're on, Diane, so thank you.

00:58Indeed.

00:59We're going to chat to Murdered Ruth very shortly, but first, I have to get your reaction to that Wailing Banshee's mission.

01:06La, la, la.

01:08La, la, la.

01:14La, la, la.

01:16Right.

01:17You've got it.

01:18La, la, la.

01:19Well, Diane, you were saying, weren't you, we were just practising that you could do the Wailing.

01:25I was saying that, but actually, I wasn't. That's an absolute lie.

01:28Paul was a traitor and continues to be a traitor.

01:31He was demonstrating the Banshee noise, so go for it.

01:35Oh!

01:36Something like that, wasn't it?

01:37Yeah.

01:37Were you one of the Banshees?

01:39No, I wasn't, Ed.

01:41Oh, you think I was?

01:42Well, you know.

01:43There's a bit of, you know, there's a bit of talk of maybe I was involved in traitors at some point.

01:46One of them had a little bit of swagger.

01:49Yeah.

01:49He had some nice trainers on, and I was thinking, hold on a minute, I recognise that.

01:53He had corduroys on.

01:54Which Banshee had nice trainers on?

01:56Listen.

01:57I think that, look, this is a show with very high production values.

01:59I don't think they'd let Nikes slip through on a Banshee.

02:02No, definitely not.

02:05The one thing about the mission was it just emphasises, again, that all the celebrities that are lined up for this show are so invested.

02:15Yes, absolutely.

02:16Because they were really going for it.

02:18Yeah.

02:18Which makes it even better.

02:20It does.

02:21And, you know, you would expect maybe some of the celebrities wouldn't be up for dunking their heads under the water.

02:25They're all there.

02:25Or screaming down a well.

02:26I know.

02:27Yeah.

02:27We can't talk about the Banshee mission without hearing what Celia's first thought was.

02:33Well, you know what you're doing a well, don't you?

02:35What?

02:36Put the pussy in.

02:39Exactly what we're all thinking, Celia.

02:41I think I'll speak for everyone when I agree with you there.

02:44Can we have a small explanation?

02:46It's one of those nasty rands.

02:49Well, come on.

02:50What we were all thinking, might as well say it.

02:52We were not all thinking it.

02:54I was sure that was my first thought.

02:56Just a total legend.

02:58So what nursery rhyme?

02:59I don't know.

03:01I've been going through all the nursery rhymes.

03:03Is she thinking of Cat Bin Lady?

03:04Oh, I don't know what she's thinking of.

03:06No, it is ding-dong bell, pussy in the well.

03:09Ding-dong bell, pussy in the well?

03:10Yeah, but I can't remember the rest of it.

03:12Yeah, I think no one remembers the rest of it.

03:14As soon as you get to pussy in the well, you're like, there's no point seeing it.

03:17Yeah, yeah.

03:18I mean, she put in quite a shift across the whole mission.

03:21Let's have a look at that.

03:26Celia let out a noise that I've never heard before in my life.

03:33No, it's the...

03:35Celia.

03:36The skill of projection is very important.

03:46It's a lot to do with breathing, a lot to do with enunciation, I guess.

03:51Stop it!

03:52I can't stop!

03:54Stop it now.

03:55Stop it now.

03:57I mean, at least the sounds are coming out of her mouth this time.

04:00That is true, yeah.

04:02Yeah, that's a bonus, really.

04:03Yeah, who was your favourite celebrity to dunk their head under the water?

04:07The Stephen Fry one was very good, for the reason of him kind of almost storming away,

04:11going, you're a grown man, what are you doing?

04:13It still kind of catches me off guard when I'm on screen.

04:15Yeah, I think Stephen Fry, actually.

04:16Like, that's Stephen Fry.

04:17Like, this is incredible.

04:19It was Claudia's face when Stephen Fry was dunking his head under the water.

04:22Yeah, yeah, yeah.

04:23Stephen Fry's dunking his head.

04:24Let's talk gameplay now, because there were some very different approaches to the shields.

04:28So Kat got a shield, took the shield.

04:31She was first there, she took the shield.

04:32I'm having that.

04:33Let's not tell anyone else in the other group about the shield.

04:37Jonathan found the one in the watering can and just immediately just offered it to Stephen.

04:42Oh, it's a risk, isn't it?

04:43Jesus.

04:44So do you think that's a risk?

04:44Is that something that you would have done, Paul?

04:46Jonathan's doing that thing where, like, I imagine, like, for people watching him,

04:50he looks so obvious, but he's so compelling at the round table that he can kind of do the

04:54slope of shoulders thing.

04:55And I imagine when people watched me in season two, they were doing the same.

04:58Like, it's so obviously this person.

05:00And people would name me at the round table, but then he would just throw it all away.

05:03But I do think that kind of, like, nonchalant, well, you can just have it, it's kind of like

05:07a subconscious move.

05:09But I think he's so smart and he's so good at kind of battling people at the round table,

05:12it almost doesn't really matter.

05:14I think Jonathan's been quite smart sometimes, though, because when his name does get brought

05:17up, I think Celia brought his name up to him.

05:20Said, I think I'm suspicious of you.

05:22He'll say things like, well, we've got to investigate that.

05:24Yeah, you're right.

05:24Yeah.

05:25But a lot of them mentioned his name on the last episode, but they then didn't vote for

05:29him.

05:30So I don't understand that.

05:31It seems to take them a while for a theory to warm up to this, that they're willing to

05:35put it into practice.

05:36Because I think they're all so worried about getting it wrong, which makes it so much harder.

05:40Except for Joe Marler.

05:43Joe's not as intelligent and he's very funny.

05:46Yes, he is.

05:47But then his theory is very good about the king of the big guys, Stephen, against Jonathan.

05:52He's nailed it.

05:53But they're not pushing for that, though.

05:55I know, I know.

05:56It's great.

05:57Now, just before we hear from Ruth, I need quick thoughts on that cliffhanger.

06:01We don't know who's going to be murdered, but the Banshee is coming for someone.

06:05And it's one of Kate Garroway, Charlotte Church or David Olesoga.

06:08I think David, because he's the quietest of the group.

06:13I think Kate could help stir the pot a little bit, but she can also bring loads of attention

06:17onto herself.

06:18Who's the other one?

06:19Charlotte Church is the other one.

06:20And Charlotte Church has been getting some heat as well.

06:22If people are getting heat, you leave them in there.

06:24And sometimes the ones that aren't getting heat and aren't really contributing.

06:28I think Kate's more of a danger out of the three of them because she asks a lot of questions.

06:32Charlotte's not got anything correct yet.

06:34Well, whoever it is, I'll be chatting to them on the next episode of Uncloaked.

06:38But without further ado, it's time to hear from our next murdered player, Ruth Codd.

06:43She's joining us very soon.

06:44But first, I caught up with her in Scotland straight after she was murdered to get her

06:48first reactions and reveal who the traitors were.

06:55Hi, Ruth.

06:56Hello.

06:57Welcome to Uncloaked.

06:58Thank you so much.

06:59Thank you very much for coming.

07:01Take a seat, please.

07:02It's very nice to see you and thank you for coming on the show.

07:09But sad to see you leave the game so early.

07:11How are you feeling now that you're out?

07:13Delighted.

07:14I have a 15-year-old dog at home.

07:16She hasn't much time left.

07:17So I kind of needed to get back, you know what I mean?

07:20So the dog's on the clock.

07:21You're thinking that during your time in the castle?

07:24Yeah, big time, yeah.

07:25Someone's looking after her there, right?

07:27No, I just left her home alone.

07:28She can look after herself.

07:31So you were so confident that you'd be out at this point.

07:33You just thought, she's not due a feed.

07:35I'll be back before episode five.

07:37Yeah, that was the plan.

07:39It's all right.

07:40I left the back door open.

07:41You know, I had a plethora of tactics going in and it all went tits up the second I got

07:48in there.

07:48I thought I'd play it quiet and then kind of coast my way through, you know, and not be,

07:56I get too mouthy.

07:59But again, it's me, round table number two, just running my mouth off left, right and

08:05centre.

08:06I think whenever I speak to people who played the game, it's always the people who say,

08:10I'm going to go in and change my personality.

08:12And then within two round tables, it's like, there's no point doing that.

08:15You've got to be yourself, right?

08:16I fear a lot of them in there think we're at summer camp.

08:21You're not going to figure it out that way, if you know what I mean, if people aren't

08:23being open and honest about their theories, because there was a couple of things people

08:27said around the table and you'd be like, oh, yeah.

08:29And then things start to click together in your head.

08:32Yeah.

08:33So if people did more of that, then it might be a more successful first couple of round

08:37tables.

08:37Well, they're definitely not going to now.

08:38Muggan's over here.

08:41They'd be like, oh, Root told us all to speak up.

08:43Also, she got murdered.

08:44Yeah.

08:45Yeah.

08:45That's a very good point.

08:46You were the one who spoke up and that was the end of you.

08:48I literally knew last night.

08:50I was like, I'm either going to get recruited or murdered.

08:54And was that because you spoke up, you thought that's me marked out now?

08:57Yeah.

08:57And I kind of knew, to be honest, when I was speaking up.

09:02In my head, it was like, Root, stop talking.

09:07So you said after that round table that you thought there might be a target on your back.

09:11Oh, I absolutely knew it.

09:12I went, I'm pretty sure Jonathan was going around moving and shaking, like making sure everyone

09:17knows, you know, he wasn't telling corky pies.

09:20Right.

09:20Why don't you tell me, first of all, who do you suspect of being a traitor?

09:25Well, suspect number one is Jonathan, obviously.

09:28Yes.

09:30Suspect number two, Kate.

09:34And suspect number three, I kind of just have this gut feeling that it might be Celia, just

09:40because she's so chaotic.

09:42So it's the chaos of Celia that makes you suspicious.

09:44Yeah, but also I wouldn't, I don't think I would have ever voted for her at the round

09:49table, just because she's so entertaining to have around.

09:52What about your definite faithfuls?

09:54Definite faithfuls?

09:56Is there any definites in this game?

09:59Really?

10:00Well, who did you trust the most?

10:03Well, obviously I trusted Claire the most.

10:05I swear to God, if she's a traitor, I'm never, I'm, I'm never going to be able to trust.

10:10My career is based off of instincts in acting.

10:13I'm going to have to go back to being a barber.

10:16We're going to have to open a hairdresser's if Claire Balding is a traitor.

10:22People were kind of accusing Kat, but I think Kat's a faithful.

10:26I mean, if Lucy is a traitor, give that woman a BAFTA immediately.

10:31I think it's time.

10:34I'm going to give you the scroll.

10:36Has anyone ever not opened the scroll?

10:39You're contractually obliged to open the scroll.

10:41I'd rather live in ignorance.

10:43It's like when it comes to watching myself in films, I'd rather live in ignorance.

10:47Let's see the first one and read the name out for me.

10:54Oh!

10:55Oh, I was right!

10:57Oh!

10:59Okay, I don't have to open the hairdressers.

11:01I was right!

11:03You were right.

11:03It was Jonathan.

11:05Should we see the next one?

11:06Yeah.

11:13It's Kat.

11:15Good for her!

11:17Yeah, fair play!

11:19You're feeling quite positive about that.

11:20I'm quite positive about that one.

11:22Can traitors kill off other traitors?

11:24Well, they can lead people towards them and get them banished.

11:28So do you think that might be...

11:29Can you see the traitors turning on each other?

11:31Depends who the third traitor is.

11:34Who do you think?

11:34Do you have a sense of the third traitor?

11:35Now you've seen the first two.

11:37Now I've no idea.

11:39Let's see the third.

11:39Alan!

11:49He killed Paloma!

11:51Yeah.

11:53I'm ingenious, but he's going to need to move to Mexico when he gets out of here.

11:58She's going to kill him!

11:59Yeah, I mean, we've talked to Paloma.

12:01It's not going to end well.

12:03Oh, well, that does mean a best friend spot is up for grabs.

12:06I think she's quite cool, so, yeah.

12:11And we're joined by Ruth now, live from Belgium!

12:15Yay!

12:18Ruth, welcome to Uncloaked.

12:20We should ask you straight away, how's the dog?

12:23Was the dog okay when you got back?

12:25Dead.

12:26And did the burglars tick much as you left the back door open?

12:32No, no, that's the thing.

12:33The back door closed and she couldn't get to her water bowl.

12:36Right.

12:37Right.

12:39Obviously, I am joking.

12:41Benny is alive and well.

12:42She's out.

12:42My mummy is looking after her.

12:44Now, let's talk about your two roundtables.

12:47In that first roundtable, you voted for Kate.

12:50Why were you so suspicious of her?

12:51Well, you're just really pissing in the wind, the first roundtable, aren't you?

12:55Yeah.

12:56So, not a lot to go off.

12:59I hadn't at that stage done any, I hadn't done the challenge where they changed us all

13:04up in the little hut yet, so I really didn't know at that point that she was so theatrical

13:12and over the top and loud.

13:16I kind of just thought that was an act, but it turns out it wasn't.

13:20It was just Kate.

13:21I wouldn't be hard on yourself.

13:22I think plenty make mistakes like that.

13:25When you're in there, it's a different planet, isn't it?

13:27Yeah.

13:27Well, I was at a disadvantage as well because I've only been in the industry a wet week

13:32and apart from Nico, I didn't know really, and Claire Balding, obviously.

13:37Yeah, yeah.

13:38I didn't really know anyone or had ever met them, you know, at events and whatnot, so I'd

13:48nothing to go off of at all.

13:50I think it's incredibly bold at the second roundtable to go after someone, and it proved

13:55right.

13:55You were going after Jonathan, and we're all sat at home absolutely punching the air going,

14:00yes, she's actually doing it.

14:02How did it feel going toe-to-toe with him at that second roundtable?

14:06It was scary because I knew nobody really in there knows who I am, and everyone knows

14:13who he is.

14:14So I knew I probably wasn't going to get that much backup, and I was like, on a scale of

14:20one to ten, how much of a Jonathan-shaped hill are we willing to die on here?

14:26And it turns out it was a ten.

14:28It was a big, fat ten.

14:30Let's see a little clip of you and Jonathan going at each other on the roundtable.

14:34One of the first things you did was make an alliance with Nico and me and Claire in the

14:41car.

14:42You said it in the car, did he?

14:44Mm-hmm.

14:44Yeah.

14:44What did I say?

14:45Yeah, you said we're an alliance.

14:47I did not say we're an alliance.

14:48Yes, you did.

14:49We're an alliance?

14:49Yes, you did.

14:50Guys, I swear, I have not said the words we're an alliance.

14:52You did.

14:53No.

14:54Okay, I'm not going to say, I'm saying you've misremembered.

14:56I have not said to anyone I'm an alliance.

14:59I've said to people, I totally believe you're faithful.

15:01I've said to people, I'm not voting for you.

15:03I have not said to anyone we're an alliance.

15:06I did not say that.

15:09Wow.

15:09Right, well, let's settle it once and for all.

15:11Let's wind the tape back.

15:12Did Jonathan say...

15:13Okay, settle it then, Ed.

15:14Go on.

15:16Did Jonathan say you're in an alliance?

15:18Let's have a look.

15:20We've got now a one in 13 chance of death.

15:23If you form a large group, that might swing it in your favour.

15:27Yeah.

15:28Some people know each other already.

15:30I don't know anyone.

15:32We're in trouble.

15:32No, you're not.

15:33And you've got two older allies here already.

15:35Exactly.

15:37So I think maybe from Jonathan's perspective, he'd created a very loose alliance.

15:42Maybe he was just throwing that word around in quite a general way.

15:46The sentiment of what he said remains the same.

15:49He lowered, he'd go into a false sense of security.

15:52He created an alliance.

15:54He blindsided them at the round table.

15:57Doesn't matter, though.

15:58You stood up for your conviction.

16:00So that's what's important.

16:02Yeah.

16:03You know, better to be dead and right, I suppose.

16:07Exactly.

16:08Yeah.

16:09That's the old phrase, isn't it?

16:10Why do you think Alan Carr's getting away with it?

16:13Why are the people not realising that he is a traitor?

16:17Well, Claire did.

16:19It's just that thing of, like, I look back, I look back on episode one, he's sweating so much.

16:24Sweating.

16:24Yeah, yeah, yeah.

16:25I was, I just, because I didn't know him, I just, he said, oh, I have a sweating problem.

16:32And I just believed him.

16:34But just because he's so unserious, I suppose.

16:37Yeah.

16:38None of us, none of us thought, apart from Claire.

16:41Took him seriously.

16:42Yeah.

16:44But his sweat problem disappeared, though, hasn't it?

16:46Like, the sweat problem.

16:46He's mopped up.

16:47He's definitely mopped up.

16:48He's mopped up.

16:49Yeah.

16:49I don't know whether it's just one of the artists or what, but it's now gone.

16:51But, Ruth, you also had a brilliant turn of phrase in the castle, some very funny, very

16:57withering put-downs.

16:58Let's have a little look at a compilation we've made.

17:01It'd be pretty terrible going on an all-inclusive to the traitor's castle, and then you don't

17:06even get a croissant out of it.

17:07When they were wheeling me down to get my leg chopped off, it was less tense than that.

17:12It was tense.

17:13Piss in my ear and tell me it's raining.

17:15Like, I know what I heard.

17:17I see something big and on wheels.

17:19That's my mobility scooter.

17:21My gameplay, for the most part, is to just be myself, you know, maybe be a bit friendlier.

17:31I'm not really notorious for my people skills.

17:36Brilliant.

17:38Thanks, Stinger.

17:39Now that you've been through the show, Ruth, would you rather that you were a traitor or

17:43a faithful?

17:44Oh, I'm so glad I wasn't picked as a traitor.

17:47Why?

17:48I've just, that show has made me realise I'm strong-willed and I'm smart, I think, and I

17:57have my own mind, which I kind of knew going into the show.

18:00But I'm not as kind of savage as I thought, and I'm not ruthless.

18:05I agree with you, yeah.

18:06I always want to be a faithful.

18:08Ruth, we're going to chat more on our BBC Sounds bonus episode a little later.

18:12But just before you go, what was your reaction to watching the faithful banish Claire?

18:17It was absolutely infuriating.

18:21It was the same thing as what happened to Nico.

18:24It was just everyone jumping on the bandwagon, which watching fully grown adults who have

18:31established careers was just fascinating.

18:35Hard mentality.

18:36Hard mentality, yeah, I agree with you.

18:38Well, yeah, absolutely.

18:39It really was a shock for all of us to see Claire fall at the latest roundtable.

18:43But she and I got to sit down for a chat straight after her castle exit.

18:47And of course, I revealed to Claire just who those pesky traitors are.

18:54Claire, come in.

18:56Welcome.

18:57Welcome to Uncloaked.

18:58Grab a seat.

18:59Thank you very much.

19:01Oh, nothing.

19:04Claire, thank you so much for joining us on Uncloaked.

19:06You're very welcome.

19:07I wish it was under different circumstances, though.

19:09Yeah, we're very sad to see you banished.

19:11But you're happy with your exit?

19:14Well, I did at least, I think, exit quite dramatically.

19:18And from the sounds I heard behind me, it caused quite a stir.

19:22That's what you want to hear as you leave, isn't it?

19:23You don't want to hear pure silence as you walk out.

19:26No, you want to hear Stephen Fry and Celia Rimery swearing.

19:29We all want to hear that at all times, I think.

19:31Always, always.

19:32And it was funny because I think, as I stood that, I think so many, well, obviously, the

19:38faithfuls that have voted for me absolutely thought I was a traitor.

19:42And I regret not making a better argument for myself.

19:48It's an interesting thing.

19:49I found the whole experience so fascinating.

19:51And I knew it would be a way of seeing groupthink in action.

19:55But when it's suddenly turned on you, there really is, you are, you panic because you

20:00think, I don't know what to do here.

20:01And it's so much easier to attack than it is to defend, which I think is why so many

20:05politicians do that.

20:06They don't bother.

20:08Do you know what I mean?

20:08It is really hard to say, no, I promise you I'm a faithful.

20:12I can't give you a million reasons why you just need to trust me.

20:15Actually, it's much better to go on an angle and say, but I'll tell you why.

20:19And the thing I really regret, because I didn't think of it in the moment, was the night that,

20:25so only the night before at the round table when Tamika was voted off, only four people

20:29voted for her.

20:31Of those four people, one of those has to be, if not two of them, have to be a traitor.

20:36So we'd narrowed it down then.

20:38Yeah.

20:39Even if they were doing clever voting, I still think it was too risky for one of them not

20:45to.

20:45Let's talk about your suspicions for a bit, Claire, because I know you brought the notebook

20:49with you.

20:50I have.

20:51And I'm not sure.

20:52OK, so the notebook has on the front of it, times I was right and nobody listened.

20:56Because I was slightly starting to feel, and I'll make this reference because Stephen

21:00will appreciate it.

21:01I was slightly starting to feel like Cassandra, who in Greek mythology is condemned by Apollo

21:06to constantly speak the truth and prophesy doom, but nobody will listen.

21:12And I was feeling very much like Cassandra.

21:14But it is also my own fault, because I then suddenly decided to play a strategy, I didn't

21:21say anything about Charlotte until it was too late.

21:23Yes.

21:24And I still may be wrong.

21:25Mm-hm.

21:25And as I say, half of me hopes I'm wrong and half of me really hopes I'm right.

21:29You win either way or you lose either way.

21:31Well, exactly.

21:32I know.

21:33So, oh, I've had a very nice steak and slept well.

21:36That was...

21:37LAUGHTER

21:37I did put a lot in here.

21:39Anyway...

21:40It's more of a diary, isn't it, Glenn?

21:41It's more of a diary.

21:42But I...

21:45And just note some things that people did and how people voted and Joe Marler being very

21:50funny.

21:50For example, first night, first round table, I suspect, Kate, Nico, Tom, Jonathan.

21:58Right.

21:58Well, I know Nico's wrong and I know Tom's wrong.

22:00I think Kate is wrong.

22:02Jonathan, I'm still not sure.

22:03I've also written, underlined, I'm an idiot.

22:06Yes, this is after I got banished.

22:09It became very clear I was going to get voted off, banished, in capital letters.

22:15Can I just say it's fascinating you carried on making the notes after you were out the

22:18gate?

22:19I've been writing messages to myself of what I've learned from it.

22:24Anyway, Everett, and also danger of underestimating people and indeed overestimating others.

22:28I think one of the traitors is underplaying their intelligence hugely.

22:32And who do you think that is?

22:34Joe Wilkinson.

22:36And I think we are in danger of overestimating.

22:40I'm speaking as if I'm still in there, which obviously, sadly for me, I'm not.

22:43But we're in danger of overestimating Stephen's father of the house status.

22:49OK.

22:50And I think he'll think that now too.

22:52Mm-hm.

22:53Unless he's a traitor, in which case it's working.

22:55Now, this is a very exciting moment.

22:58I don't know if you're excited about this or you're dreading it.

23:01You're going to find out who the traitors actually are.

23:03Oh, I'm massively excited.

23:04OK, good.

23:05Listen, I can't wait to know.

23:06Good.

23:06Before I do reveal it to you, I do want to know who your biggest suspects, who your headline traitors.

23:14Well, obviously, I said Charlotte and voted for Charlotte.

23:16But I really hope I'm wrong on that.

23:20And I sort of wish I didn't.

23:22I wish I hadn't done that.

23:24Although I was suspicious of her.

23:25I wish I hadn't done that.

23:27I wish I'd gone for Joe Wilkinson, actually.

23:30So I would be super suspicious of Joe Wilkinson.

23:34I think he's playing a really super clever game.

23:39Well, and Alan I voted for.

23:41Yes.

23:41Alan on the Paloma theory.

23:42Yeah.

23:43Which I shall continue to call it for the rest of my life, the Paloma theory.

23:46My confirmed faithfuls, I think, are Nick.

23:51I think Lucy is a confirmed faithful.

23:55I think Kate is, actually, even though I suspected her very early on, on the basis of body language,

24:01which I now know means nothing.

24:02So this is really on what people say at Roundtable and how they vote.

24:08Celia, I think, is 100% faithful.

24:10I'm, you know, as Joe Marler would say, she's a hundy.

24:13I think Joe is a faithful as well.

24:14Let's find out.

24:16I feel a bit sick.

24:18My heart isn't racing quite as much as it was at Roundtable, but I actually feel a bit sick.

24:22It's a big moment.

24:31Jonathan.

24:32Jonathan.

24:33I should have stuck on Jonathan.

24:35Damn it.

24:36That, honestly, that makes me cross, because I so nearly last night went on a big one on Jonathan.

24:43Ugh!

24:44Oh, that's funny.

24:56Do you think Kat's doing a good job?

24:58Kat's doing an amazing job.

25:00An amazing job.

25:02Because she hasn't really been brought up that much.

25:04You know.

25:04No.

25:05The fact that you mentioned her name so much, I was surprised.

25:07Alan, damn it.

25:18I was right and nobody listened.

25:21You weren't far off the mark at all.

25:22And certainly watching it, the Alan Paloma theory, I was willing you to follow it more at the Roundtable.

25:33I'm most annoyed about Jonathan because I think if Charlotte and I had trusted each other, we'd have got him.

25:38Yeah.

25:39Well, there we are.

25:43I mean, you could feel the intensity coming through the screen there.

25:46Oh, my God.

25:47Claire wanted to find those traitors.

25:49She's very competitive, isn't she?

25:50She made notes.

25:51Yeah.

25:51Wow.

25:52She's like a hard-boiled detective.

25:53She was, like, really into it.

25:54Amazing.

25:55Yeah, incredible.

25:56And she had such a long list of confirmed faithfuls that were all correct.

26:00Yeah.

26:00So maybe that is the way she should have gone about it, is ticking off everyone that she knew definitely.

26:05Yeah, and not a lot of people do that, I guess, looking at that strategy to go, well, these are the people that I'm almost convinced are.

26:11Because I think everyone that's done that so far, they've pretty much been on the money.

26:14They've kind of got it right.

26:16The detailed notes are an incredible thing to learn about.

26:18Going back to her room every night in her individual lodgings, writing her detailed notes.

26:24Paul, just remind us, again, what you were doing every night.

26:27I was reading American Psycho.

26:29Yes.

26:29And going, this Patrick guy has really got something.

26:31He's got some good ideas.

26:32But I was also writing scripts.

26:34I talk about what arguments are going to happen tomorrow.

26:37So, like, tomorrow, if this happens and this is the way it will go, I will say this and I will say that.

26:42Wow.

26:43I was doing full argumentative scripts.

26:45Yeah.

26:45Thinking he will then pick me up on that, but I'll say this and direct it this way.

26:48Paul, with all due respect, you should be in prison.

26:50Yeah, I probably should be, shouldn't I?

26:53I think that we've lost a potential superstar traitor hunter in Claire.

26:57Yeah.

26:57Because she was right about Alan, starting to have some suspicions about Jonathan as well.

27:01Yeah.

27:02She felt like nobody was listening to her.

27:03I think people would have eventually listened to her.

27:05Yeah.

27:05A little bit like Jazz of the Christie.

27:08Yeah.

27:08Of course.

27:08I made that, yeah, I draw on the same comparison.

27:11We do need a detective name for Claire, though.

27:14Yeah, that's true, isn't it?

27:15I've got some options if you want to hear them.

27:17Go on, I've got some options, yeah.

27:18Claire Lumbo, that's a personal favourite.

27:20Claire Lumbo, yeah.

27:21Yeah, I don't think we're topping that.

27:22Jessica Clare Fletcher.

27:24It's a reach in it, but I think it's fine.

27:26Yeah.

27:27Favourite one, though, Inspector Horse.

27:29So, yeah.

27:31Right.

27:32OK.

27:33There we go.

27:34Well, we've got so much more to analyse over on BBC Sounds.

27:37I'm getting Ruth back to ask her all about the public's reaction to her being in the castle

27:41and whether she thinks trained actors find being in the show any easier.

27:45Plus, we need to get the inside scoop on all those missions Ruth got to do.

27:49We'll be hearing more from Diane and Paul, too.

27:51It's going to be a proper love-in for Traitor Superfans.

27:53And it's all in your bonus episode of Uncloaked, available right now.

27:57Scan the QR code on your screen, then listen as you're brushing your teeth,

28:00or take us to bed with you.

28:03And remember, if you reckon you've got what it takes to be a traitor or a faithful next series,

28:07then head to bbc.co.uk forward slash take part to apply.

28:10I'm back on Wednesday to unpack everything from episode five,

28:14and I'll also be chatting to the latest players to leave the game.

28:17They're dropping like flies.

28:18Remember, here on Uncloaked is where they will find out who the traitors are.

28:23My thanks for now to Diane, Paul, Ruth and Claire, and thanks to you for watching.

28:28I'm Ed Gamble.

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