Un incendio devastador, provocado por dos delincuentes durante un intento de robo, ha dejado en ruinas un jardín infantil. El siniestro ocurrió la madrugada del domingo y ha destruido equipos electrónicos y materiales educativos, afectando a los 170 niños que asisten al lugar. Bomberos trabajan para controlar el riesgo de derrumbe mientras la comunidad educativa intenta rescatar lo poco que quedó.
Seguí en #ElNoticieroDeA24
Seguí en #ElNoticieroDeA24
Category
🗞
NewsTranscript
00:00Everything is desolation, sadness, in this garden of the south, here in Lomshams,
00:06where what you see is what was left in ruins after this fire that two criminals generated
00:13when on Sunday morning they entered with the intention of robbery,
00:18to try to take what little is inside a garden,
00:22to be able to take some electronic equipment, a projector, some sound device,
00:29but not much more.
00:30Then, what is inside a garden are the games, the folders,
00:35the elements that the boys who attend use, which are around 170,
00:41and in this place, where a while ago there were smiles and games,
00:47today there is pure sadness, Facu.
00:50Here, this place, look, we can't enter because there is a danger of collapse,
00:55where the firemen are trying to work and they are trying to reorganize themselves,
01:04trying to get what little is left in some places,
01:08but this is the image.
01:10Look, we are going to continue walking because here there are still the ashes,
01:14there is the water that was left from the three equipment that had to work all morning.
01:22Here, this room was also totally destroyed by the fire.
01:27Look at what is in here, let's see if we can show it.
01:31There they are, part of what was a carpet where the boys played with the cars,
01:36and that's what was left.
01:37Then all the rest is water, ashes, the roof is totally burned.
01:42The concern, because everything has to be very controlled
01:46because of the possibility of a collapse.
01:49And here, the teacher, the parents, the entire educational community
01:53that is trying to save what little is left
01:57to try to get the children to have class again at some point, Facu.
02:03Leo, I want to review something so that it is understood.
02:05Everything you are seeing burned,
02:07it's not that someone burned here to erase evidence,
02:12there was a previous robbery here, that's clear, isn't it?
02:16Exactly, yes, here the intention was obviously to try to erase the evidence,
02:23we understand, but fundamentally also an intention to cause damage, Facu,
02:28because there is not much to be taken,
02:32nor what could have been taken was jumping a wall,
02:37therefore we speak of dimensions, of objects,
02:40which have to do fundamentally with the question of electronic elements.
02:45In fact, there was a place where they kept a projector,
02:49that projector was empty, there were some cables left,
02:52and parts of what was the sound equipment here in the garden.
02:56Well, to try to, trying to, what I was saying,
03:03to steal what little was left, well, they set fire before leaving
03:11and that generated a tremendous fire.
03:15We can enter that area, we are going to go through the other,
03:18this is the most affected area, because there is a danger of collapse,
03:23in fact, they are trying there to be able to adjust the last elements
03:28with a lot of care and supervision.
03:31It is a panorama, Leo, complicated thinking about the future of children's education,
03:34that is, when will it be able to be rebuilt,
03:37and what will happen with the classes of the youngest
03:40who went to this place and with those families?
03:43Look, the 170 boys obviously were left without classes, Facu,
03:48and with all the sadness of coming and seeing the place where they came to learn,
03:52and to have fun, and to be with their friends,
03:55with their teachers, totally destroyed.
03:58We are with Pablo, Pablo, you are the representative.
04:02The legal representative of the Garden College.
04:04The legal representative of the Garden.
04:06I imagine, at what point did they tell you what was happening?
04:10They call me at 5 in the morning, the neighbors,
04:13who had heard noises, at 4 in the morning they had heard noises,
04:18and at 5 they call me because they blew up the windows and they already saw fire.
04:23Then they called the firefighters, they called me,
04:26I come and when I come, everything had already burned,
04:29because it was really terrible, you must have seen.
04:32Yes, yes, it's a horror.
04:36I imagine the desolation at the moment when you saw that it was on fire.
04:39The desolation, I tell you sincerely,
04:42when you arrive and see that and you say, what do I do?
04:44Nothing, I stand here looking at how they set fire,
04:47what can I tell you, I can't do anything.
04:49The only thing I can do is cry,
04:51because we have been working for 43 years.
04:57The school is Claudia's, the one who is screaming there,
05:00and mine, that we were two employees,
05:03we put a children's garden and continue in a school.
05:06And see it on fire, I imagine.
05:08And see the work of a lifetime,
05:11because it is not a job to sell a can of sardines,
05:14it is a job with people, with children.
05:16With identity.
05:18Of course.
05:19Who went through the garden will remember it for a lifetime.
05:22You will have seen what has happened here.
05:24I forbade them to come today.
05:26I told them, I don't want anyone here in the school,
05:28because today is a holiday and I want them to rest.
05:32Those who are there are all teachers and parents of the school
05:35who come to help.
05:37And I can't tell you more than no, because they don't want to go.
05:40I imagine how they are, and we see you,
05:44we see everyone working beyond the risks,
05:48and I ask you this question about the criminals.
05:51What could they know?
05:52Is there any image, is there something?
05:54There are images.
05:55There are images, but they have to know.
05:56Well, be careful with that data, Leo.
05:58They gave it to the commissioner,
06:00the commissioner took it and the prosecutor has it.
06:06What could they know?
06:08What could they know?
06:09There were two guys.
06:10There were two guys.
06:11Now another image appeared, which I don't have either.
06:13But in the image you can see that at 4.15 in the morning
06:19two guys pass by that side.
06:22They come back, one enters and the other stays outside.
06:28And then you can see how the one inside was throwing bags at the one outside.
06:31The one outside grabbed the bags,
06:33the one inside jumped, went to the street,
06:35and they found one who was walking inside.
06:38That would be three, Leo.
06:39You don't see faces, you don't see anything.
06:41It was very late and from a distant camera.
06:43Minimum, at least three.
06:45Three people minimum.
06:46Minimum.
06:47And I ask you, why in a garden?
06:49There are children's work.
06:50Ah, well.
06:51What could they steal?
06:52What did they take?
06:54Let's see, what would you steal?
06:56A garden or a bench?
06:58If you're a thief, go steal a bench.
07:00Don't be a fool.
07:02Don't go steal a garden that has what the teachers ask for.
07:06A piece of cloth, a roll of toilet paper, a can of tomatoes.
07:11What are you going to take from here?
07:13But, well, they don't have that.
07:15Because anything they steal from here,
07:17they sell it for 200 pesos and it's good for nothing.
07:20Because, obviously, they only know that.
07:22They know that.
07:23They can't think of anything else.
07:25So, well, it's what we have.
07:27What do you want me to tell you?
07:28The contradiction, right?
07:30The symbolism of this.
07:32That is, criminals who destroy a garden,
07:34a place where, even maybe,
07:36because if they are from the neighborhood,
07:38relatives, friends,
07:40come to train, to bring their children,
07:42and they destroy it.
07:44Of course, but they didn't train.
07:46That's the difference.
07:48They didn't train, of course.
07:51I asked one of the...
07:53Well, from Andean.
07:55I asked one of the Andean program.
07:57I asked him, where in the world
07:59did you see someone set a kindergarten on fire?
08:02Nowhere.
08:04Let the Yankees go and kill 5, 6, 1.
08:07Yes, but to set a school on fire?
08:10No, that doesn't exist.
08:12Pablo, I cross you a little with Facu.
08:15So you can cut while we show them.
08:19What's left, Facu.
08:21No, it's a disaster.
08:23Pablo Facundo Pastor greets you.
08:25How are you?
08:27How are you?
08:29Well, the truth is that I'm surprised.
08:31Seeing all the mess they made,
08:33not being able to understand
08:35such irrationality.
08:37I don't know if you hear me well, Pablo?
08:41I hear you pretty, pretty bad.
08:43Well, let's see.
08:45What logic does all this have, Pablo?
08:47What could they find there? Nothing.
08:51No, this has no logic.
08:53It doesn't make any sense.
08:55Because you can't steal a recorder
08:57and set a school on fire.
08:59If you didn't see, things are out of measure.
09:01It seems illogical to me.
09:03You can steal, I don't know,
09:05some candies in a kiosk
09:07and take two more candies,
09:09but not break the whole kiosk.
09:11What for? It doesn't work.
09:13And you know, Pablo, after stealing,
09:16how did they start the fire?
09:18In what way?
09:20Did they have a solvent?
09:22No, we don't know anything about that.
09:24No, it's very easy here.
09:26It's not all solvent.
09:28We don't have flammables.
09:30But for us, the flammables
09:32are the paper, the books,
09:34the children's work, the fabrics,
09:36all those things we have here.
09:38This is evil
09:40for doing evil.
09:42But of course, evil for evil.
09:45These families,
09:47we see that there is practically no roof.
09:51No, there is no roof left.
09:53I came today from the municipality
09:55and they order me to demolish
09:57from the middle to the outside,
09:59to demolish everything.
10:01It's useless.
10:03Excuse me, Pablo,
10:05where do you think they came in?
10:09We already know where they came in.
10:11They came in through the neighbor's house,
10:13next to the medianera,
10:15and they went up that staircase
10:17and came in this way.
10:19But how did they access the inside?
10:21Did they break a door, a window?
10:25No, they came in through the roof.
10:27We have a double roof here
10:29and in the middle of the double roof
10:31there is a ventilation window.
10:33They came in through there
10:35and broke that glass
10:37because the neighbors told me
10:39that broken glass was heard.
10:42Where did they come out from?
10:44Because they lit a fire
10:46and came out from the most complicated place.
10:48They broke a door to get out.
10:50That's unusual.
10:52If the cameraman could take
10:54the wall back there,
10:56the wall back there,
10:58it measures two and a half meters
11:00and has one more meter of wire.
11:02Where the drawings are.
11:04Where the drawings are.
11:06In that place
11:08where they came out,
11:11they jumped.
11:13Let's see if we can do the tour
11:15with Leo
11:17and how they came out.
11:19Because at the same time
11:21that one goes around.
11:23It's on the other side,
11:25and you have to go through
11:27all the area that has the risk
11:29of collapse.
11:31They are trying to solve
11:33the issue of the board
11:35but very carefully
11:37and that prevents us
11:39from being able to go to the other side.
11:41And what happened?
11:43They jumped that wall.
11:45Come here.
11:47The wall of drawings.
11:49As far as we can.
11:51Let's go as far as we can.
11:53Look at the walls up here.
11:55Of course.
11:57We can't go in because
11:59if the storm goes away,
12:01everything will fall.
12:03Look how it is.
12:05Let's see a little
12:08so that Juan has a little more perspective.
12:10Be very careful.
12:12Be careful.
12:14There is a second floor
12:16and the wall is completely bent
12:18and cracked.
12:20So there is a lot of risk.
12:22The irons are melted.
12:24Let's show you
12:26so you can see the dimension.
12:28Let's go out
12:30because obviously
12:32the situation is complex.
12:34The damage they did is tremendous.
12:36I understand that what we are capable of
12:38is the zoom.
12:40Yes, this is the zoom.
12:42Where the children are most of the time
12:44because when the teachers are in the classroom
12:46they do the little jobs
12:48and then they come here,
12:50play, run,
12:52they play music, dance,
12:54they do all the little games.
12:56What evil.
12:58Look what this is.
13:00Look what this is.
13:02Look at the books.
13:05It's symbolic too, isn't it?
13:07What do you think?
13:09I think it's a scene
13:11Pablo, if it coincides,
13:13it's a scene of absolute
13:15disillusionment.
13:17Pablo just said, surely
13:19these were never a kindergarten
13:21with all the love that sometimes
13:23comes from the whole
13:25teaching staff,
13:27from the non-teachers too.
13:29Learning was a kindergarten,
13:31where have we gotten?
13:34What sense does it have?
13:36Look Facundo,
13:38I'm going to tell you a little piece
13:40of a story in a very short time.
13:42My wife and I got married
13:4444 years ago
13:46and my mother-in-law had a school
13:48that she had to sell because of her husband's illness
13:50and then my wife
13:52wanted to have a kindergarten
13:54and one day we put that kindergarten
13:5642 years ago
13:58that we are working
14:00to be able to have this.
14:02I really told my wife yesterday
14:04despite everything,
14:06the happiness I feel
14:08of having done what I did
14:10and of having the friends we have.
14:12But of course,
14:14of course,
14:16they are not going to put me
14:18a stone in the road
14:20because they are not useful.
14:22I can't talk about them
14:24because otherwise I know
14:26that a part of the population
14:28is going to come out and say,
14:31but I want to live in peace,
14:33I want to live in peace,
14:35I want to be calm,
14:37I want my children and grandchildren to live in peace
14:39and so we are not going anywhere.
14:41Of course,
14:43but we are going to keep fighting,
14:45we are two old people,
14:47we are two old people,
14:49my lady and I are two old people
14:51and we are going to keep fighting.
14:53You have the strength to do it.
14:55Look, Facundo,
14:57Pablo's testimony is really strong
15:00and his wife's
15:02tears
15:04are also very strong
15:06because
15:08they are two workers
15:10who started
15:12the idea of educating
15:14the children on their shoulders,
15:16they have been doing it for 40 years
15:18and today it's your turn.
15:20Your tears speak for themselves.
15:22Which is today's
15:24or yesterday's all day?
15:26Honestly,
15:28this is very strong
15:30for us,
15:32for the whole community
15:34because you see the whole community
15:36but this is a legacy,
15:38it is a family legacy
15:40very strong
15:42as Pablo told you
15:44on behalf of my mother
15:46who was the driving force
15:48for us to have this garden
15:50that was growing
15:52thanks to the community
15:54that adhered to our ideal
15:57Pablo,
15:59imagine, shoulder to shoulder
16:01building,
16:03I imagine that this garden
16:05did not happen overnight.
16:07No, we did this by hand,
16:09we finished this by hand
16:11from scratch,
16:13from scratch.
16:15I imagine they started
16:17with a living room,
16:19a bathroom.
16:21We rented a house
16:23here on the other side
16:26and we started renting
16:28that house
16:30and then her mother and her brothers
16:32lent us money to buy
16:34and there we started to build.
16:36In addition, you see the love,
16:38the drawings,
16:40changing
16:42some things, improving,
16:44hiring,
16:46because you also give work
16:48170 people work in my school
16:50170 people
16:52170 people
16:54work in my school
16:56that is, the children come to learn
16:58but it is also a source of work
17:00Pablo,
17:02what did they tell you
17:04from the municipal area
17:06that they are going to have to throw it down
17:08for that risk of collapse
17:10for the issue of rehabilitation
17:12there that it will be very complicated
17:14to continue like this, right?
17:16The municipality
17:18starts this week
17:20to demolish from here
17:23they start to demolish
17:25everything there where the fire was
17:27because the walls are very weakened
17:29so that everything is demolished
17:31everything is cleaned up and we will start again
17:33Pablo, and in the meantime
17:35what does the municipality do?
17:37The municipality gave us all its support
17:39Good
17:41The family, no, today
17:43look, yesterday I forbade all the teachers
17:45I asked the directors to send
17:47messages to all the teachers
17:49prohibiting them from coming to school today
17:51because I didn't want them to come
17:53because today was the holiday
17:55for them
17:57so
17:59I told them not to come
18:01because I didn't want us to work
18:03that we do nothing
18:05that we have to wait for the insurance, the police, the scientists
18:07and all those who had to come
18:09today all the parents came
18:11the mothers, the teachers
18:13they all came, I couldn't stop them
18:15and I didn't think
18:17that at this point I would be able to say
18:20the kindergarten is totally evacuated
18:22there is nothing left
18:24they took everything to the school
18:26and they are enabling the classrooms
18:28for Thursday or Friday
18:30or next Monday
18:32to start working with the children
18:34we are not going to stop teaching
18:36they don't stop, Pablo
18:38it's also a good message
18:40they don't stop
18:42they don't stop and they will stop
18:44no, no
18:46if in our work, Facundo, something happens to you
18:49if you go sick to work
18:51don't tell me
18:53me too
18:55I don't care what happens
18:57I keep working
18:59Pablo, I greet you in a happy way
19:01we are all very moved
19:03seeing all the images
19:05we see the love you put
19:07during so many years
19:09but ask yourself why do you think they set fire
19:11I mean, nothing
19:13they could have stolen something
19:15it's totally negligible
19:17what do you think
19:19that these people were thinking
19:21with this evil
19:23no, I'm going to tell you something
19:25would you go into a kindergarten
19:27and set it on fire?
19:29I'm sure not
19:31because you are a thoughtful and educated being
19:33and the beast that came here
19:35is neither thoughtful nor educated
19:37yes, yes
19:39that's my only answer
19:41that's clear
19:43and there is your life partner
19:46you started this project
19:48and this dream
19:50and you can barely talk
19:52you are going to have to help each other
19:54no, I can't
19:56I can't talk
19:58because if I start talking
20:00I start crying
20:02I can't
20:04I can't
20:06I can't
20:08I can't
20:10I can't
20:12I can't
20:15I can't
20:17I can't
20:19I can't
20:21I can't
20:23I can't
20:25I can't
20:27I can't
20:29I can't
20:31I can't
20:33I can't
20:35I can't
20:37I can't
20:39I can't
20:41I can't
20:43I can't
20:45I can't
20:47get up
20:49I can't
20:51I can't
20:53I can't
20:55get up
20:57I can't
20:59I can't
21:01out
21:03out
21:05out
21:07me
21:09me
21:11It's almost burned, it's just a little bit left, but it's all destroyed.
21:16It's going to take time, but Pablo has hope and strength, I think, to be able to continue.
21:23And that's it, they are accompanied by the whole community that they helped to form for 40 years.
21:28Because when you are in the neighborhood, Pablo, all the kids from the neighborhood came here.
21:32All of them, all of them who are there are all teachers and former students,
21:38because we dedicate ourselves to taking ex-students here.
21:41We have most of the teachers who are ex-students.
21:43Pablo, Pablo, sorry.
21:46They are important in the neighborhood.
21:48But I think so, yes, tell me.
21:50Javier, how difficult it will be to explain to the children, right?
21:54Of course.
21:55Explain to the children why they had to go to another place.
21:57Oh no.
21:58And how to explain to them that that, well, they, the boys, already know, right?
22:02But that that is not only wrong, but it is...
22:05They will have more money to work, huh?
22:08How do you explain to them that level of irrationality?
22:10This that Javier raised, Pablo, I can hardly understand it ourselves.
22:14It is that... something has to be said.
22:16Today they came, the mothers came crying in the morning, of course.
22:20Today the mothers came crying in the morning, because yesterday they also saw me in all the news.
22:24And they asked the mothers, and they came crying because the mothers do not know how to explain to them.
22:30Of course.
22:31We are lucky to have in the school a psychopedagogical cabinet of four people who are really first.
22:39And well, on Wednesday they will have to start taking out all Freud's books in advance to be able to explain this.
22:47Because this has no explanation.
22:49No, it has no explanation.
22:51I want to add something, after breathing deep,
22:55that the truth is that I feel very proud of the community that we have,
23:02because, as Pablo expressed it, there is not only the teaching staff, the management staff, the guidance team,
23:09and an immense community that I can tell you that have come to the first promotion since 1982.
23:18So I am eternally grateful to you through this means that you have come and given us a hug
23:27and the strength to move forward and rebuild this,
23:31which will surely be much more beautiful with all the hands that will be helping us and that promised us that.
23:38So that's what I want to leave as a message.
23:41Leo, and what message would you leave to the criminals?
23:43Thank you to all those who have come and who are helping us today.
23:46No, no, don't ask her that.
23:48Don't ask her that.
23:49She's too good.
23:51Ask me, I'm worse.
23:52No, she's too good.
23:54No, don't ask her that.
23:56She's not going to tell you anything.
23:58Pay attention, Facu, to the words.
24:00I can't stay because, well, the crying, obviously, in both,
24:07and it also speaks of the community, of the work they have done.
24:10If people come to be with you, it is because you have done the right things.
24:15I don't know, we always try to give the best.
24:18The school's ideology was always founded on a place to think and feel,
24:23above all, to look each other in the eye and to be able to say everything we feel,
24:28whether it is school, academic, personal, and that is the community we form.
24:35And today they are with us, in this moment of pain,
24:40but pulling us from the same rope, all of us.
24:43So that is what I want to thank.
24:46Beyond everything that is around,
24:49of all this macabre environment that is around,
24:52well, I rescue that.
24:54And I say again, thank you all.
24:58I do give myself a word.
24:59Yes, obviously.
25:00One last word.
25:02Because when it was time for the municipality, I had problems,
25:07I hit them with a cane because I felt mistreated.
25:11Today I want to thank the municipality,
25:13because they have given me absolutely all their support.
25:17They are at the opening of the book fair,
25:21but nevertheless, both Cascayares and Sergio,
25:26who is the Secretary of Education of the municipality,
25:30gave me all their support.
25:32They sent me staff, they sent me trucks,
25:34they sent me everything so that we could move,
25:36because they saw that the teachers were crossing all the materials by hand.
25:40So I want to rescue.
25:42When I hit them with a cane, I hit them with a cane.
25:44When they do things well, well.
25:45But when they do things well, well.
25:47I want to rescue.
25:48Very good.
25:49Very good.
25:50Very good to highlight, Leo.
25:51Those who have called us, those we have had for many years,
25:54and the current supervisors have given us a hand
25:58in everything we need, they are available.
26:00So, above all things, thank you.
26:04I am missing one, who is the President of Banco Provincia,
26:07who will give me the credit that he will have to give me to raise this.
26:10Well, we take advantage of it and we ask for it.
26:13I don't think it will be that difficult, Leo.
26:15And if you are watching, it would be good if you could, Pablo,
26:18if you could record this story,
26:22because we insist, there are many committed families,
26:26and a lot of history.
26:28There, your lady gave account of the first layers of 1982,
26:33when the dictatorship ended and democracy returned,
26:36and there were families who bet on you.
26:39So, it is very important that the authorities of the province listen to this
26:45and join to give a hand.
26:49I want to think so, I want to think so.
26:53We are, we are workers, we are nothing else,
26:57we are not a boarding school, we are workers.
27:00Neighborhood school.
27:01Neighborhood school.
27:02And you could see the love in the hugs.
27:04There we were seeing.
27:05Yes, yes, in those hugs.
27:09Of course. Come on, Leo, let's go through everything we can.
27:11The hugs.
27:12Look, this part is obviously the bathroom part,
27:16which is affected by everything that was the heat, the jeans.
27:19And they stayed here.
27:21It was more or less that it can be recovered,
27:25but obviously everything is in danger.
27:28Everything, check the bags.
27:30Look, I want to, because for me it is very strong,
27:33the symbols are the boxes where the children's work is kept,
27:37the pilots to be able to paint, yes,
27:40the apron that is used to be able to paint and not stain the clothes.
27:45Well, all that is reduced to ash.
27:48Look at what this room is, which is also the room of three,
27:52the room of the smallest.
27:54Well, full of water because of the action of the firefighters.
27:57But there is nothing left here.
27:59Although it did not take the fire,
28:01but they had to protect it because of the heat
28:04that could also have arrived and destroyed everything.
28:07But hey, the passage of the water,
28:09we have also seen it in many covers.
28:11Facu, when we talk about this type of fire,
28:13there is what directly affects the fire,
28:16but then in the action of extinguishing it,
28:18obviously also the rest of the structure is affected.
28:23That's why, look, each of these places has a little water,
28:28a little ash, the heat that it puts.
28:31Look, this is another of the rooms, the preceptor's office.
28:34Here, in the preceptor's office, the teachers work
28:37to cut the materials, to prepare all the materials
28:40that are needed for the children's daily work.
28:43Well, also totally destroyed, full of water.
28:47Obviously, once the water passes and it gets wet,
28:50it also destroys the fire, obviously much more.
28:54Look, let's go to the door so that you can see
28:56a little bit of the exterior, what this garden is like.
29:02Which is the fundamental part of any children's garden.
29:04There are the games.
29:05Of course.
29:06Of course, where the children come to enjoy.
29:10Today they are in their homes where, well,
29:14obviously some are telling them what happened to their garden.
29:18The place where they come to have fun,
29:20to have a good time with their companions and learn.
29:23Well, today it is made of ashes, destruction,
29:28with total destruction.
29:30Look, here there are still parts of the ashes
29:32in this play space.
29:34Well.
29:35Very sad, the truth is very sad.
29:37Very sad.
29:38This is the situation.
29:39Shoulder to shoulder, the entire educational community
29:42is working to rebuild it and we understand that
29:46soon the school, which is also nearby,
29:50at least they will begin to have children.
29:52Tomorrow we will return if necessary.
29:54And we will continue very closely the task of Pablo,
29:57of his lordship and of the entire community of this garden
30:00and of course the police investigation to see what it throws.
30:04Because we understand that it is completely irrational.
30:08Stealing it is, but stealing a children's garden
30:11is already irrational.
30:13Stealing a children's garden and setting it on fire
30:15is already very difficult to understand.