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00:30 Welcome back to Still Potable,
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01:18 from masslive.com, Brian B. Rob.
01:21 >> Is that what you're gonna call yourself now?
01:23 I'm sorry for interrupting, but you're wearing your graduation cap.
01:28 >> Sorry. >> You just called yourself Esquire,
01:30 and before we started recording, you just bragged about getting cum laude.
01:38 Is that how you say it?
01:39 I don't even know how to say it.
01:40 Never mind, get it.
01:42 >> Yeah, cum laude.
01:42 I did happen to receive such honors.
01:46 I graduated today.
01:47 I can throw off my cap.
01:49 No, I will not be referring to myself as Esquire because I'm not a bad person with
01:53 low self-esteem.
01:54 It was more of a goof.
01:56 But the voice you heard there- >> Also,
01:57 you should pass the bar first before you do any of that stuff.
02:00 >> No, no, no, no, no.
02:01 That's what I need to say to say I'm an attorney.
02:03 I am an Esquire right now.
02:04 I earned my Esquire status just by graduating from law school.
02:09 The cynical voice you hear there is J King from The Athletics.
02:15 >> Congrats on your graduation, Packard.
02:17 >> Yeah, thank you.
02:18 What a nice thing to say.
02:19 >> It's a big accomplishment.
02:21 I know a lot of hard work went into it.
02:23 So congratulations on getting a very good GPA in law school.
02:27 >> Thank you.
02:29 >> It's still weird that you're smart.
02:31 It always stuns me that you're smart.
02:33 >> [LAUGH] >> I don't know how to accept
02:36 compliments from you.
02:38 Let's just move on to the Eastern Conference Finals.
02:41 The Celtics finally have an opponent.
02:42 It's not the opponent we thought it was going to be,
02:45 because the much celebrated New York Knicks.
02:49 The team that everyone was falling in love with.
02:51 People had never seen basketball effort like this,
02:54 only for them to not make it out of the second round.
02:57 They fell.
02:58 They were up two games to 0 against the Indiana Pacers.
03:00 They were up three games to 2.
03:02 They lose game 6.
03:04 They lose game 7.
03:05 And now the Celtics will be playing the Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals,
03:10 the six seed Indiana Pacers.
03:12 The team that beat them in the in-season tournament.
03:15 So there's a lot of revenge and stakes on the line here.
03:18 Jay, what's your first thoughts about this matchup with the Pacers,
03:23 other than Celtics in five?
03:24 >> [LAUGH] Could be Celtics in four.
03:27 [LAUGH] >> Whoa.
03:29 >> No, this is just such an easy path to the finals.
03:37 This is not a real conference finals team.
03:41 I don't think anybody would have believed in the Pacers to beat the Bucks,
03:46 if the Bucks had been healthy.
03:47 They were without Giannis the whole time.
03:50 The Knicks were literally running out of bodies by the time they got to the end
03:55 of that series.
03:57 Josh Hart had a messed up abdomen.
04:00 OG Ananobi tried to play a barely move.
04:03 Jalen Brunson not only had a foot injury, but
04:05 then broke his shooting hand during game seven.
04:08 So they survived, they advanced.
04:12 Salute to the Pacers, kudos, if you will.
04:16 This is one of the worst defensive teams you'll ever see in the conference finals.
04:19 The only, this level defense,
04:24 I've probably seen this deep in the playoffs.
04:28 Actually, I'll give a couple.
04:30 Atlanta Hawks a few years ago, a couple years ago, whenever that was, and
04:34 some of LeBron James' Cavs teams, although those teams weren't necessarily that bad.
04:40 They just didn't care about the regular season.
04:42 They were bad because they didn't care.
04:45 This Pacers team cared and still can't stop anybody.
04:48 Did not stop anybody throughout the first two rounds, but they can score.
04:52 And they can score on anyone.
04:54 They were ridiculous in that first half,
04:59 especially of game seven, just making every single shot.
05:02 So I wish it had been a juicier path for the Celtics.
05:08 I wish this series had more buzz.
05:09 I wish all of their opponents had been healthy.
05:11 I wish, I wish, I wish.
05:14 But yeah, it's Indiana, not New York.
05:17 >> I'll give Indy this though.
05:20 Like, they went into the garden, I don't care who's on the floor,
05:24 shooting 67% in the game seven on the road is pretty absurd.
05:28 And for as much as I agree with you, Jay, in terms of this is as underwhelming
05:33 an opponent as the Celtics could have imagined entering these playoffs here.
05:38 >> Where would you have ranked them going into the playoffs in likelihood to make
05:42 the Eastern Conference Final?
05:43 >> Probably their seed, probably sixth, maybe even lower,
05:45 maybe even jump like a heat.
05:47 >> I would have put Orlando and Cleveland probably behind them because of
05:51 Cleveland's draw.
05:52 >> Right, but with that said, I feel like we're at least gonna get,
05:58 like they're a match like a healthy, reasonable playoff team.
06:03 Not a conference finals team, but like their lineup makes sense.
06:06 They have a bench that isn't like falling apart at the seams.
06:09 They don't have like three or four.
06:10 >> Which is really good.
06:11 >> They have TJ McConnell.
06:12 >> Right, you got the Aaron Neesmith for bench back.
06:15 There is like, there is some sneaky storylines here and I-
06:19 >> And some sneaky athleticism with
06:20 McConnell and Pritchard.
06:22 >> It's a good point, like that's gonna be a barn burner for the ages.
06:25 So you throw that in and just a team now where it's like, the Pacers shoot,
06:29 they certainly won't out-defend the Celtics.
06:32 But they can out-shoot them potentially in a game, maybe two games,
06:34 I don't know, we'll see.
06:35 But at least we might get a more entertaining series than we have the last
06:38 two series right now just based on the- >> They have the best offense in
06:42 the playoffs so far, at least statistically.
06:45 And I think that has to call, like I obviously said Celtics in five and
06:50 think the Celtics should handle the series.
06:51 But the Celtics have had struggles of locking in on the defensive end and
06:56 if this feels like the Pacers are going to test the Celtics.
07:01 And I think- >> When have the Celtics had those troubles?
07:04 >> Game two?
07:05 >> So- >> Games two?
07:09 >> Games two.
07:09 >> [LAUGH] >> I'm just saying,
07:11 I feel like a lot of people have rushed to put the flaws of the past on this year's
07:16 Celtics team.
07:17 >> Jay, after game two in Miami, you ripped the shit out of the Celtics.
07:20 >> I did, that was a bad one.
07:21 >> And after game two in Cleveland, you ripped the shit out of the Celtics'
07:24 defense.
07:24 I don't think it's been serious long struggles, but I do think
07:28 you can't automatically dismiss the Pacers just because I think they have a solid.
07:35 So everyone on there is an offensive threat except maybe Andrew Nembhard.
07:40 We forgot about the Andrew Nembhard-Luke Cornette beef.
07:42 Maybe we'll see that flare up again.
07:45 I guess Cornette was not really in that.
07:47 It was more of a Andrew Nembhard-Joe Mazzullo beef.
07:50 But I think the Pacers have a very strong offense.
07:54 We saw Tyrese, actually it's a very weird series because Tyrese Halliburton kind of
07:58 fluctuated, but if he's anywhere closer to where he was at the beginning of
08:03 the series, I still think the Pacers are a dangerous team.
08:06 I brought up the in-season tournament before, but that was like a game where
08:10 presumably the Celtics were trying and the Pacers just beat them in a track meet.
08:15 I feel like I don't remember the exact score, but I feel like it was like a 140 to
08:18 120 game.
08:19 >> No, that one was pretty low scoring in the in-season tournament, wasn't it?
08:23 >> I hope that one of the three of us would remember.
08:26 >> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that one was low scoring.
08:29 >> I think it was around this.
08:30 >> I thought the Celtics, go ahead.
08:35 >> Yeah, they beat the Pacers by like 50 points I think earlier in the year, but
08:38 that was without Halliburton.
08:40 And so I think it's gonna be interesting to see the type of basketball it is
08:44 because the Pacers really like to push the pace.
08:47 And can the Celtics kind of match them with a track meet?
08:51 Are the Celtics the ones trying to really slow it down and
08:54 play kind of more of this post-ISO game?
08:58 I just think it's like an interesting matchup because we've seen,
09:01 I don't think we've seen a team like this where just like such a high paced offense
09:06 and such a bad defense.
09:08 It's gonna be interesting to see kind of how the Celtics respond to that.
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10:39 >> And I thought in that in season tournament game,
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10:49 All they talked about was we need to win the battle for pace.
10:53 We need to do this.
10:54 We need like they focus so much on the pace of that game and slowing it down.
10:58 I thought it worked against them.
10:59 This is a team that gives up points in transition.
11:03 You can score against the Pacers if you push the pace.
11:05 Where you need to keep the game slow is on your defensive end.
11:09 You need to make sure that you control the game with your offense one, so
11:13 that they're not getting out on the break all the time.
11:15 Halliburton on the break is just an incredible passer.
11:18 He can just absolutely pick you apart.
11:19 So you need to control the game with your offense.
11:23 But then also, they're a great cutting team.
11:25 They cut so hard.
11:26 You have to just stay attentive.
11:27 They're going to, everything they do is fast, fast,
11:33 fast in the half court, full court, everything.
11:36 You just have to be locked in at all times or they're going to pop free and
11:41 they're going to get a good look.
11:43 And so that's to me the challenge of this series for Boston.
11:47 Can you stay focused?
11:48 Can you stay locked in against a team that is really hard to do that?
11:51 And Pacers just play a different style than basically any other team in
11:55 the league.
11:56 They play so fast.
11:57 They look to go early.
11:59 And even in the half court, there's just a breakneck pace
12:03 about them.
12:04 And it's tough.
12:06 And then McConnell comes in off the bench and
12:09 just can totally change a game for them.
12:11 So the bench minutes, I think, are going to be big in this series.
12:17 Can McConnell keep doing what he's been doing?
12:19 Can Peyton Pritchard keep doing what he's been doing?
12:21 Those are two guys who have really come in and just totally change the game
12:28 when they're on the court in the playoff so far.
12:30 And I just think whoever wins that fight, if the Pacers win that fight,
12:36 then this could be a series.
12:38 If Peyton Pritchard and the Celtics bench continue to do good things,
12:42 I just don't see Indiana having enough here.
12:46 Yeah.
12:47 And on top of that, I'm looking forward to--
12:51 I don't know how much these guys are going to be going to be like Jalen Brown
12:53 versus Siakam, like part two, after Jalen Brown completely
12:58 destroyed him in the bubble, I feel like, in 2020.
13:01 It took me years to--
13:04 Respect Piazza.
13:05 Yeah.
13:06 I still don't have it.
13:07 That stuck with me for so long.
13:09 Yeah.
13:09 That was not Paz Yagam.
13:11 He's much better than that, almost all the time.
13:15 He was so bad in that series that the stink just lingered for me.
13:19 I couldn't look at him and forget about that.
13:21 It was so bad.
13:24 It was abominable.
13:25 It was just embarrassing.
13:29 He was so bad.
13:30 Do you guys think Jalen's the primary defensive matchup on Siakam?
13:33 Because I thought he, Siakam, especially after OG went out,
13:36 did a pretty solid job of just dominating the mid-range
13:39 and getting good shots.
13:42 How do you think the Celtics match up against the potent Pacers offense?
13:48 It'll be interesting to see where the Celtics put Al Horford,
13:52 assuming Chris Stapps misses the start of the series.
13:56 Do they play him on Miles Turner, or do they play Tatum on Miles Turner?
14:01 Because a lot of the time, they'll put Tatum on a center
14:04 so that you can't run pick and roll and get Celtics into a drop
14:10 and force help and all that, and just switch everything.
14:14 So that'll be interesting.
14:15 And then, yeah, Siakam-- Celtics have a lot of size and a lot of athleticism.
14:20 And Siakam, he can kill you with his size.
14:26 He has all the spin moves.
14:27 He has kind of the crafty game.
14:29 He can create space and shoot over the top of you.
14:31 But it's tougher to do that against Boston
14:33 than it is against New York's miniature wings,
14:36 especially once Ananobi went out.
14:38 As tough as those Knicks guards are, they're also small.
14:42 Even Josh Hart, I think he's 6'4", 6'5".
14:45 He's definitely not 6'7", 6'8" like the Celtics guys are.
14:48 So I think that's going to be a big factor.
14:51 Can Siakam get his still?
14:55 And then what version of Halliburton?
14:57 He's been very up and down in this playoffs,
14:59 like had some real duds in the playoffs.
15:02 But towards the end of the series against New York--
15:05 It's like not even a--
15:06 like six shots in the games where he wasn't good.
15:08 It wasn't like he was missing.
15:10 He just wasn't being as aggressive.
15:11 So it's going to be--
15:13 Can they rough him up?
15:14 Can they take away his threes?
15:16 Can they take away his shot attempts?
15:18 Can they take him away in the half court?
15:20 I think it's possible.
15:22 But if you lose him, he can shoot the hell out of it.
15:25 If you let him get comfortable, if you
15:28 let him come around screener rolls, he can pick you apart.
15:32 But he has not shown any ability during the playoffs
15:35 to really create inside the arc.
15:37 And so I think the Celtics should be very aggressive,
15:40 should be very physical with him, take away his airspace,
15:43 and just make him try to do something else,
15:45 make him be a scorer somewhere else.
15:48 We've also haven't even brought up our guy Aaron Nismith yet.
15:52 Oh, I can't wait.
15:53 Oh, man.
15:53 I'm excited.
15:55 He got to get his old coach on this--
15:59 he used to call into the Anything Potable
16:01 on the athletic app.
16:01 We need to get old Richard's take on the series
16:05 at some point.
16:06 But at what point--
16:08 there's got to be at least four or five Aaron Nismith revenge
16:10 moments.
16:11 You know he's going to play with energy.
16:12 You know he's going to hurt someone unintentionally.
16:14 You know he might hurt himself unintentionally.
16:17 I would say both.
16:18 I would say game one, he hurts himself and somebody else,
16:22 maybe at the same time.
16:23 That's the biggest challenge for the Celtics in this series,
16:25 I feel like, is avoiding the inevitable Nismith injury
16:28 that's coming to the crash Nismith.
16:31 But he was 8 of 8 from the field today.
16:34 He obviously had played a huge role
16:36 in at least slowing down Brunson in some of that series.
16:39 And I would assume that he's going
16:42 to get the Tatum assignment just because--
16:45 not that he has a chance of that, really.
16:46 I feel like Tatum bullied him.
16:48 I think Nismith is much more effective
16:50 against a smaller guard.
16:52 That's 12 pounds of muscle.
16:54 I think there are some moments in the regular season matchup
16:56 where I think Nismith tried to do that.
16:58 And Tatum was like, we've done this in practice, Aaron.
17:01 We don't need to continue doing this exercise.
17:04 I do think it's going to be interesting.
17:06 I think-- I would imagine they try to start Siakam on Tatum
17:09 just to throw some length and some size on him.
17:13 I still don't get why Andrew Nembhard's a starter.
17:16 I don't know where--
17:17 I feel like he's the matchup to exploit on defense here.
17:21 Halliburton.
17:21 Halliburton as well.
17:23 Yeah, I mean, their backcourt is terrible defensively.
17:26 I think both of those guys.
17:28 But I think it's going to be interesting to see how
17:32 the Celtics try to attack that.
17:34 I think they'll be absolutely ruthless going at Halliburton.
17:39 Because one, he's going to give up a lot.
17:41 If you attack him right, you're going
17:42 to be able to get to the cup.
17:43 You're going to be able to post him up.
17:45 You're going to be able to force help.
17:47 And then two, how much will he have at the other end
17:51 if you're making him guard Tatum or Brown
17:54 or even in the post against Holliday?
17:57 Possession after possession.
17:59 It should be like what they did to Trae Young.
18:03 Just go at him ruthlessly.
18:06 Just be mean about it.
18:08 Just don't stop as long as he's on the court.
18:11 Just go at him.
18:14 But even Nesmith, like you said, he
18:16 doesn't have a ton of size.
18:17 Nemard is like a big-ish guard.
18:21 But the Celtics are huge across the wing.
18:24 And I think that could be a big, big strength for them
18:29 in this particular matchup with the lack of defensive ability
18:35 that the Pacers have.
18:37 This is just a bad defense.
18:38 They were 24th in defense during the regular season.
18:42 They've given up 119 points per 100 possessions
18:46 during the playoffs.
18:47 And that was against the Bucs without Giannis and the Bucs
18:50 without even Dame in at least one of those games,
18:54 I think just one of those games.
18:57 And then against the New York Knicks team
18:59 that was just banged up, hobbled,
19:02 just running on fumes.
19:05 So--
19:05 I thought this Knicks team was the greatest thing
19:07 that's ever happened to basketball.
19:09 I just--
19:09 I don't know why you're disparaging the Knicks.
19:12 That was an inspirational spot.
19:14 I'm not disparaging the Knicks.
19:15 I'm disparaging the fawning over the Knicks.
19:16 And how many people say they fell in love with the game
19:19 again?
19:19 They rediscovered their love--
19:21 You're talking about Michael Wilbon.
19:22 Just man up and say his name.
19:24 I'm talking-- it's not just Michael Wilbon.
19:26 But Michael Wilbon's leading the charge on this one.
19:30 There's so many people who are acting like because the Knicks
19:33 had that crazy comeback against the Sixers
19:35 and then were able to beat the hobbled Sixers.
19:38 And then people just like--
19:41 basketball is fun in Madison Square Garden.
19:43 It is fun watching in a very excited Madison Square Garden
19:47 be excited about the team.
19:48 But this Knicks team is--
19:52 I guess they did get hurt.
19:53 But I just--
19:54 They got so badly hurt, though.
19:56 I mean--
19:57 Maybe because they played their players for 48 minutes a game.
20:00 Oh, yeah.
20:01 It was probably partially self-inflicted.
20:04 But I mean, they had like four starters for a good team.
20:12 Just injured.
20:13 And that doesn't even include the guys
20:15 that were playing through severe injuries
20:18 by the end of the series.
20:19 They were--
20:20 Do I have to say an abdomen injury
20:21 feels like it would hurt to play basketball with that?
20:24 Like any sort of--
20:26 do you need to raise your hands in basketball like that?
20:29 Even if you need to pivot one way,
20:31 if you need to set a screen-- there
20:33 was a screen early in the game when
20:35 Neesmith just housed Hart and just went straight
20:39 through his chest.
20:40 And they didn't say anything about it
20:43 on the broadcast, which I was surprised.
20:45 But in my head, I was thinking, I
20:47 wonder if Neesmith did that on purpose.
20:49 I wonder if he was like, let's go
20:50 at this guy who's nursing the ab injury
20:53 and just lower your shoulder, truck him a little bit.
20:57 Neesmith is-- it's going to be fun watching him compete.
21:01 And it's going to be fun watching McConnell
21:03 and Pritchard compete.
21:04 I just think--
21:05 I don't expect this to be the most competitive series ever.
21:09 But I also think the Pacers play hard enough
21:12 and they're feisty enough that this
21:14 isn't going to feel like the first two rounds did.
21:16 It's going to be--
21:16 It's a real team.
21:18 It's going to be high energy.
21:20 It's going to be contentious.
21:22 I think there will be--
21:23 the Pacers will piss off the Celtics
21:28 and force them to dig a little deeper probably
21:32 than they've needed to over the first couple of rounds.
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22:57 We might get some crunch time games.
22:59 Maybe more than one in the first 10.
23:02 I'm just looking through their defensive numbers now,
23:04 though, and I'm just so disgusted here.
23:07 They're below average in all the four factors.
23:09 They're worst in the league, fouling guys.
23:13 They're bottom five in defensive rebounding.
23:16 It's just-- I don't think we're--
23:19 Cavs in the heat would get after it defensively.
23:22 This team is just not built in any way for that.
23:26 It's hard to find a above average defender
23:30 on this entire roster at this point.
23:33 And they only improved marginally
23:34 after the Siakam acquisition.
23:36 I think they were 19th in defensive rating
23:39 after acquiring Siakam.
23:42 And obviously, it was a pretty big change for them.
23:46 Sending out Buddy Heald, getting back Siakam at the trade
23:50 deadline, that should have given them a much better defense.
23:56 But their defensive numbers have been--
23:59 they were bad in the regular season.
24:02 They've been bad for two rounds of the playoffs.
24:04 These guys will give up a lot of points.
24:08 And the Celtics have scored on what I think
24:10 are two pretty good defenses.
24:12 It's hard to tell exactly how good the heat defense is
24:16 without Jimmy Butler.
24:17 They were a very good defensive team
24:20 when they had guys healthy.
24:21 They had very good defensive numbers.
24:23 But they're just totally different
24:24 without Jimmy Butler.
24:25 So it's hard to tell what they were.
24:28 But the Celtics had very little trouble scoring
24:31 a lot against the Cavs.
24:33 They had a few droughts in that series.
24:35 But overall, the numbers were fantastic.
24:37 I think the Celtics could have a very easy time
24:41 scoring in this series.
24:44 Unless the Pacers somehow reach a level
24:46 that they did not reach really at all during the season,
24:52 then Boston should be very comfortable and in rhythm
24:57 throughout this whole series.
25:00 What does a team that bad on defense
25:02 do against the Boston Celtics?
25:04 I don't know.
25:05 They just got to keep scoring and hope their offense turns
25:09 into defense.
25:10 I think the thing that makes this series interesting
25:13 is just it's going to be totally different stylistically
25:16 than I think we saw in the first two rounds.
25:19 And if the Pacers can keep things going on offense
25:23 and just make it so the Celtics are constantly
25:25 having to take the ball out and play in the half court,
25:29 I feel like that's the way the Pacers are
25:31 going to have to be competitive is to win in games like 135
25:34 to 125 or something like that.
25:36 And they just need to--
25:37 and so it's going to be--
25:39 I think a lot of the challenges for the Celtics
25:41 in the past playoff runs is like, hold onto the basketball.
25:43 Don't turn the ball over.
25:44 It's going to be this defensive slug fest.
25:47 Everything's going to be slowed down.
25:49 I think this is going to be interesting because the pace is
25:52 going to be increased.
25:53 And can the Celtics--
25:54 can they be the ones to kind of like junk it up, slow it--
25:58 as you said, Jay, slow it down on the defensive end,
26:01 but still keep the pace on the offensive end?
26:04 Part of it will be just don't turn the ball over.
26:07 Get up shots every time.
26:09 And that'll be a huge part of the battle.
26:13 And the Celtics have been much, much better this season
26:16 at valuing the basketball and not turning it over.
26:18 But that seems like a really important piece in this series
26:22 because the Pacers feed on that stuff.
26:27 You see McConnell come in, and he picks up full court.
26:30 And the Knicks threw a few bad passes to him.
26:33 And all of a sudden, a run has just snowballed.
26:36 And McConnell, that bench, McConnell
26:40 was plus 31 over the seven games of that Eastern Conference--
26:44 or the second round.
26:46 And they were minus 3 without him on the court.
26:49 Some games, he was so much better than Halliburton.
26:52 It was like, why are they even playing
26:55 Halliburton in crunch time?
26:56 And I still don't know why--
26:59 Where would you rate him just for the Pacers
27:00 this postseason?
27:01 They're, what, third, fourth, fifth best player
27:03 in the roster at this point?
27:05 McConnell?
27:05 For the production?
27:06 Yeah, McConnell, yeah.
27:07 He's probably been their best player.
27:09 Their best.
27:11 At least by a boot.
27:12 Has he not been?
27:14 He's been unbelievable.
27:16 When you just talk about pure impact, the guy comes in,
27:19 he gets deals, he's running and gunning.
27:23 He has made an enormous impact.
27:25 And obviously, Halliburton's been great.
27:27 And Siakam, very good two-way player.
27:30 But McConnell, at bare minimum, he's
27:35 been their third best player throughout this run.
27:39 And I think it's--
27:41 you could argue he's been better than that.
27:43 One of the themes in this series,
27:47 one of the keys in this series to me,
27:49 is how well does Al Horford guard Halliburton in space?
27:55 And we saw it was kind of an up and down first round for Al.
27:59 Donovan Mitchell just destroyed him.
28:01 And Mitchell is a very different off the bounce player
28:04 than Halliburton.
28:05 Obviously, they're both very good.
28:07 But Mitchell is just so quick twitch, and so explosive,
28:14 and so strong, that you have to really respect his scoring
28:17 ability downhill.
28:19 And then he can get you with the jump shot.
28:20 And he did that to Al a lot during the second round.
28:24 But then, Al was amazing against Garland in that game five.
28:28 Just shut him down in isolation, time after time,
28:32 was just incredible against Garland.
28:35 And so can he do it against Halliburton?
28:39 How much will they switch that match up
28:41 to get Horford on Halliburton in space?
28:45 How will Horford hold up?
28:47 I think it's like you have to press up and take away
28:50 the three from Halliburton.
28:52 You're more scared when he drives about the pass.
28:56 So it'll be interesting to see just how differently Horford
29:02 will guard Halliburton than he did Mitchell.
29:04 I think there's a chance he'll be pressuring out
29:07 far beyond the three-point arc and just forcing
29:09 him to go to the hoop and seeing if they can turn him
29:13 into a two-point scorer, which he hasn't really
29:15 shown the ability to do in the playoffs so far.
29:19 He's only taken five twos a game in the playoffs,
29:23 which is crazy for an all-star ball handler that
29:28 has the ball as often as he does.
29:30 That's such a low number.
29:32 Yeah, there's different wrinkles.
29:33 Maybe they throw Horford on Nembhard
29:35 and force Nembhard to try and be the screener.
29:38 And how much help do you provide once Halliburton
29:41 gets past Horford?
29:43 Because I think one of the reasons
29:46 to make their offense so good is Miles Turner,
29:49 a solid three-point shooter.
29:51 And so when you can have a spacing like that,
29:53 everyone else on the roster is not an amazing three-point
29:56 shooter, but everyone surrounding Halliburton
29:58 is respectable.
30:00 And so I think that is going to be the main focus,
30:04 is how do they try to figure out either to get Horford out
30:06 of that isolation, but that does feel
30:09 like the main way in which the Pacers are going to attack.
30:13 I think we mentioned Chris Stapps.
30:14 Woj came out with a report that he's probably
30:18 going to miss games, at least games one and two.
30:20 You guys were at practice today.
30:22 I don't know if you took some footage of him on a bicycle,
30:24 but he was on a bicycle, and you use your calf to do that.
30:29 So any news on the Chris Stapps run, B-Rob?
30:33 It's riveting stuff.
30:34 It looked intense, working far harder than he
30:37 did at shootaround last week.
30:39 But yeah, and then we had the blinds closed on us,
30:42 so we couldn't see if he actually did more on the court
30:45 later on.
30:46 But honestly, Joe Mazzullo said, in good spirits.
30:51 Drew says, we see him working hard.
30:54 We know he wants to get back.
30:55 The always optimistic Joe Mazzullo.
30:57 Always optimistic Drew.
30:58 And then Joe Mazzullo.
31:00 But I don't know, Jay.
31:01 I thought this series defensively,
31:03 this is a tough-- this would certainly
31:04 be a tough series for Porzingis to roll into in the middle of,
31:08 from a defensive standpoint.
31:12 So part of me wonders if they go up 2-0 or 3-1 or whatever,
31:17 get to the point where they're on the verge there,
31:19 if they just give him the extra days.
31:22 If he's not-- obviously, if he's good to go, he's good to go.
31:24 But if it's 80%, 85%, you wonder what they do there.
31:28 They should be as cautious as possible,
31:30 because they should be able to win this series without him.
31:34 Let him take as much time as he needs.
31:37 But if he's ready, you play him.
31:39 And you play him because you want him to get reps.
31:44 You want him to get game action before just being dropped
31:47 into an NBA Finals game.
31:49 And Chris Stapps, if I'm not mistaken,
31:52 has never played in even a second round playoff game.
31:57 So it's going to be--
31:59 if he does get dropped into a Finals game,
32:01 it's going to be on top of being his first game ever
32:05 past the first round.
32:07 Then it's going to be also just a tough adjustment
32:14 in a lot of ways.
32:15 So get him back if you can.
32:17 Play him, whatever.
32:19 But only if he's--
32:20 What's your-- when he's ready, Jay,
32:21 what percentage do you want him to be like to come
32:24 into this series, assuming that--
32:26 100.
32:26 You want him to get you all the way there.
32:27 Get him to the point where it's not going to linger.
32:29 It's not going to be a factor the rest of the way.
32:32 They should be able to beat Indiana.
32:34 They should not have too many troubles beating Indiana.
32:38 They should be able to slow down the Pacers offense
32:40 enough that their scoring will carry them.
32:44 And yeah, just that would be my approach.
32:46 I would not want to rush him back at all.
32:49 There is no point in having a setback here when they shouldn't
32:53 need him to win this series.
32:55 If they do need him to win this series,
32:56 then they got other problems.
33:00 What say you, Jim?
33:03 I mean, the take that they should play him if he's healthy
33:06 and not play him if he's not healthy,
33:08 I thought was a bold one from Jay.
33:09 But I'm going to have to agree with it there.
33:13 The finals don't start till June 6.
33:15 So that would be a full month, four and a half weeks off,
33:19 if they can hold him out to there.
33:21 I do feel like there is some value.
33:23 Like it's a lot for Chris Tapps to be like, all right,
33:26 you're back in game action, finals intensity.
33:29 And so maybe there's some value if he
33:31 can play about getting him in just a playoff game
33:36 and later in the series.
33:37 But--
33:37 Yeah, it'd be tough to be like, here, Chris Tapps.
33:40 First time in a month, guard Nikola Jokic.
33:45 Go guard Jokic.
33:46 So maybe a tune-up game against Miles Turner?
33:50 I think that would make sense.
33:51 Action against Isaiah Jackson.
33:54 Yeah, why not?
33:54 Just get some shots up at least.
33:57 Anything else from practice today?
33:59 I did want to explore whatever Drew Holliday said
34:02 about Joe Mazzullo, because I just
34:04 thought that was a funny quote.
34:05 But you guys were there, so you relate it
34:07 to the good people out there.
34:10 He thinks Joe is crazy.
34:12 He knows Joe is crazy.
34:13 Because Joe is crazy.
34:14 [LAUGHTER]
34:16 Truer words have never been spoken.
34:19 The man is most definitely crazy.
34:22 Drew likes his craziness, but he's crazy.
34:24 What did he say?
34:25 He throws a weird, chaotic energy into the--
34:28 Keeps him loose.
34:29 Keeps him loose.
34:30 It's good crazy.
34:31 It's not boring.
34:32 He keeps throwing those, man.
34:36 He thrives on the uncomfortable.
34:37 And he wants to make other people uncomfortable.
34:39 He's OK with just making people feel uncomfortable.
34:44 Maybe there's a benefit to that.
34:46 I think there probably could be.
34:49 But he's a crazy dude.
34:52 Absolutely crazy dude.
34:53 It was funny how Joe kept talking
34:57 about their practice today, which I don't think
35:00 was a strenuous practice.
35:01 When I asked Drew Holliday about it, he said, yeah,
35:04 just kind of locking in on game film or whatever.
35:07 Joe was like, yeah, we're re-entering the fight.
35:11 We're re-entering the fight.
35:13 Basically, we had a couple of days off.
35:15 Let's fucking get back to this crazy competitiveness, guys.
35:19 I just enjoyed that terminology.
35:22 Re-entering the fight.
35:24 And then he said, stay in the fight later on.
35:26 He's just-- everything's a fight.
35:28 Everything's a fight to him.
35:30 So you guys think the Soggs are going to win game one
35:32 and then come out flat game two, right?
35:34 Like that's the pattern at this point?
35:38 It has to be.
35:41 I also want to-- speaking of losing game twos at home,
35:45 I want to have a quick response to Joe's response
35:50 about taking care of home court.
35:53 Somebody asked a question about whether taking care of home
35:56 court is a discussion in the Celtics locker room.
35:59 And he basically acted like they've been the best home court
36:02 team ever.
36:04 He said, I don't know if you guys looked around.
36:06 We're the third best team at home in this playoffs.
36:10 First of all, Joe, nobody was talking about your home record
36:15 because of this season.
36:16 It's because for years now, the Celtics
36:19 have been underwhelming at home and have been great, great,
36:26 great on the road.
36:28 Brad Stevens, after last year, even said,
36:31 if we had just been 500 at home-- 500--
36:35 then he said we would have had rest
36:37 and we would have been in the final, which is true.
36:41 Which is true.
36:42 So for Joe to come out and say, we're 4-2.
36:46 We're the third best home record.
36:47 Like, come on, man.
36:48 You lost to the Heat without Jimmy Butler in game two
36:52 to let it go to 1-1.
36:54 You lost to the Cavs, who are average at home.
36:59 Congrats.
37:00 You took care of business of two crappy teams.
37:03 You went 4-2 at home, which is a fine record.
37:07 Not great at all.
37:08 Like, don't take a victory lap.
37:10 Don't act like everyone's a bozo because--
37:13 Everything's a fight for him, though.
37:14 So you challenged him and his team's home record,
37:16 and he needs to come back.
37:18 He also lied.
37:19 He lied to us, too, Packard.
37:20 He said there was like a 6-0 team, too.
37:22 If it's a lie, we fight on that lie.
37:24 I think that's how you approach it.
37:26 I think Joe Mazzuolo-- it's a good question.
37:30 What do you want him to say?
37:31 Yeah, we suck, and we want to--
37:33 what do you do to fix your home record or your home approach?
37:38 I'm sure he told them before both of these game two's,
37:40 like, we should go out there and try and win.
37:44 I don't know.
37:45 Is that on Joe Mazzuolo at this point?
37:47 I actually don't think home court
37:50 will be a problem for them.
37:52 I think it was a small sample size.
37:53 They lost two stupid games.
37:55 They took care of business outside of that.
37:57 I think in the past, they had a tendency
37:59 to relax when things were good.
38:01 And that was just their MO.
38:04 Now, I don't think this team has that in their DNA anymore.
38:08 I think that's gone.
38:09 I think they've solved that.
38:10 We'll see.
38:11 But it was just funny to see Joe act like,
38:15 you guys must be crazy to question us
38:17 for our home play so far.
38:22 All right, Joe.
38:23 All right, Joe.
38:24 We're going to go to legend of the podcast--
38:27 two legends, I believe--
38:30 Joshua B. And O.B.
38:33 It's the playoff Bs, guys.
38:34 The whole Bs.
38:35 The playoff Bs.
38:37 Hey, guys.
38:39 I'll start by asking my question, I guess,
38:43 to Mr. J. King.
38:45 Why is it such a big deal when we lose two games?
38:50 Admittedly, one without Jimmy Butler,
38:52 and one without Donovan--
38:55 oh, I guess not.
38:55 One without Jared Allen.
38:56 Excuse me.
38:57 We lost two game twos.
38:59 But in the same situation, in the same venue,
39:02 for the game ones, we kicked their ass.
39:04 We kicked their ass up and down the floor.
39:07 Congrats.
39:08 They took care of business one out of two games, 50%
39:11 of the time in the first two games.
39:14 Come on, Josh.
39:14 Hold them to a higher standard.
39:16 Well, I don't think that--
39:18 I mean, shouldn't the higher standard be completing
39:22 the same feat in 10 games that took us 13 last year?
39:27 I mean, aren't we doing a--
39:30 I mean, we're in the same place we were,
39:32 but we did it in three fewer games.
39:33 Isn't that the higher standard that we're supposed to get to,
39:36 or no?
39:37 Well, the competition hasn't been the same.
39:39 They basically played two first round series.
39:42 Last year, they struggled with the Bucs.
39:49 The Hawks series, game five loss of that series was unforgivable.
39:53 But after that, it was like, Sixers were very good.
39:56 Sixers were a very good team last year.
40:00 You can't compare them to Donovan Mitchell and Marcus
40:04 Morris and Dean Wade.
40:07 You just can't, especially when Mitchell misses two games.
40:10 You can't make that comparison.
40:12 So I'm not willing to make that comparison.
40:15 It's been a different run so far.
40:17 I do think they've taken care of business.
40:19 I do think some of the conversation about the Celtics
40:21 has gotten bizarre.
40:24 Bizarre.
40:26 People questioning them because--
40:29 saying they don't look locked in.
40:32 They've won nine out of--
40:34 or they've won seven out of their eight playoff wins
40:37 by at least 14 points.
40:39 The other one was by seven.
40:40 They haven't been challenged yet.
40:42 They had two letdown games.
40:44 Otherwise, they've just absolutely wiped out teams.
40:46 They have a 12 point something net rating in the playoffs.
40:49 They've pummeled everybody.
40:51 What is there to question right now?
40:53 If you want to question the past, sure.
40:55 Do they have what it takes to win a close game
40:57 against the Nuggets?
40:58 I don't know.
41:00 But to question the Celtics-- for Michael Wilbon,
41:04 I'd be like, I don't trust the Celtics,
41:05 but I trust the Knicks, who have never done anything.
41:08 I just don't understand that.
41:10 And it seems like that's--
41:12 people don't trust the Celtics because they've
41:15 failed on the biggest stage.
41:17 But they've always gotten to the biggest stage.
41:19 And I just feel like they're held to a different standard
41:23 because they've done it so many times,
41:24 because they've gotten there and lost.
41:27 Whereas people will just trust the Timberwolves.
41:29 They'll trust Anthony Edwards.
41:32 They'll trust all these people who have never
41:34 come through in big moments because they
41:37 haven't had the failures.
41:38 Well, the Celtics earned those failures.
41:41 And they earned the chance to play
41:45 the Warriors in the finals.
41:46 They earned the chance to be in the Eastern Conference finals.
41:49 Now this will be the sixth time in the last eight years.
41:53 I just-- some of the conversation is just crazy.
41:59 It really is wild.
42:01 And I think a lot of people are underestimating the Celtics
42:04 because some of their failures of the past.
42:08 And I really don't think this team
42:10 resembles that of the past.
42:12 It's a totally different team, a much better team.
42:15 And we'll see what that means.
42:16 We'll see if they can win the title.
42:18 But I think--
42:19 They just stole all Josh B's talking points.
42:21 Well--
42:21 I don't know what happened there.
42:23 He got me going.
42:24 He wound me up.
42:25 Josh, Josh, one more talking point.
42:27 Oh, let's hear it.
42:28 Let's hear it.
42:28 Yeah.
42:29 So, Jay, I was listening to your "they
42:31 haven't been challenged" argument a little bit.
42:34 And it really makes me think you should take this up
42:36 with the NBA.
42:37 And the reason I say that is because when
42:39 you win the one seed, right, you're
42:42 supposed to face the eight seed, which the Celtics did.
42:46 That's part of winning the one seed.
42:48 And then they face the four seed, which
42:51 is part of the thing, right?
42:53 Outside of facing the two seed or the three seed--
42:57 but they couldn't because the two and the three seed
42:59 are supposed to play each other, except that the three
43:01 seed turned out to be a junk Milwaukee team that turned out
43:04 to not be competitive at all.
43:06 So for us to say, well, we wish they could have
43:09 faced more competition, this is the bonus
43:12 of winning the seed.
43:15 And it's not our fault that the Knicks got injured.
43:18 100%.
43:18 100%.
43:19 I'm with you there.
43:20 I was just comparing last year and the previous year
43:24 to the quick work the Celtics have made this year.
43:26 I don't think you compare the second round
43:28 series against Cleveland and Cleveland with two games
43:31 without Donovan Mitchell to last year against Philadelphia
43:34 in the second round.
43:36 They were super talented.
43:38 Or the previous year against Milwaukee,
43:41 the defending champs in the second round.
43:43 You can't compare those runs to me.
43:45 It's not about demeaning their--
43:48 The Celtics haven't done anything wrong.
43:50 But I think you can't say that they've
43:52 played extremely high levels of competition
43:54 in the first two rounds.
43:55 And they should be thrilled that they haven't been tested yet.
43:58 They should be thrilled they've had so much time
44:00 to sit around and get healthy.
44:02 And they don't have to rush back poor Zingas.
44:06 And they've had almost a week now
44:09 by the time the next series starts to prepare and get
44:13 their bodies right.
44:14 This is something that's a luxury
44:16 that they haven't had in any of these long runs.
44:19 It seems like they've always played seven game series.
44:22 They've always been just going from one series straight
44:26 into the next.
44:27 And this is a huge luxury for them to take care of business.
44:30 So they should be thrilled about it.
44:32 They could pay major, major dividends in the finals
44:37 if they get there.
44:38 What up, Owen?
44:41 Chris stops coming back, whether it's
44:43 the first game or the second game.
44:45 He's coming back for the final series.
44:47 Oh, we've got the O&P prediction.
44:50 I was like, I can't stand another Grandpa Nick's game
44:56 because they're Grandpa speed.
45:00 I was like--
45:03 Watching that.
45:04 Just because you were hobbling around, you mean?
45:06 The last two games.
45:09 You know what?
45:10 I could never tell that you're your father's son
45:12 if he wasn't sitting next to you.
45:15 You guys are identical.
45:18 I love the B family.
45:19 That was fantastic.
45:21 Appreciate you, Owen.
45:22 Appreciate you, Josh.
45:23 Thanks for the support, guys.
45:25 I would just like to add one more thing
45:27 on top of your point, Jay.
45:29 This team, whether or not you want
45:30 to believe they're a championship team,
45:32 whether you want to say that you like the Nuggets
45:34 or the Timberwolves or whoever else better,
45:36 this team is wildly different from last year's team.
45:41 Like, wildly so.
45:43 And not just because we have Kristaps Persinghes
45:45 and Drew Holiday in the starting lineup,
45:48 but also because the leaps and bounds
45:51 that Derek White has taken from his role and in his ability
45:55 from last year to this year, potentially being an All-Star,
45:58 Al Horford switching over to sixth man of the year,
46:01 Peyton Pritchard, Sam Hauser, and Luke Cornett
46:03 all of a sudden being the steady, stay-ready crew,
46:07 it's just a wildly different team.
46:08 And I don't think that you can say that what happened last
46:11 year or what happened the year before really
46:14 applies to this team.
46:15 Thank you.
46:16 Josh, me and Owen be out.
46:17 Again, thank you so much for taking the time.
46:20 Thank you, guys.
46:21 Appreciate you.
46:22 Salute to the B family.
46:23 Salute to the Bs.
46:27 I think it's an interesting question.
46:28 And I do think that the team definitely
46:31 feels like a different, just in terms of their mindset
46:34 and their approach.
46:35 But ultimately, they have not faced
46:39 the two most difficult opponents.
46:42 But like they said, it doesn't matter.
46:44 You play who you play.
46:45 And I don't think they're going to be faced that much
46:48 of a challenge against the Pacers.
46:49 Before we head out of here, I've already
46:51 given my official prediction.
46:53 I'll give it in games.
46:54 Win, loss, win, win, win, Celtics in five.
46:58 B-Rob, what are you thinking?
47:01 Win, win, loss, win, win.
47:06 Ooh, bit of a game three loss there.
47:10 Win, win, win, win.
47:15 That's the same thing you predicted last series, Jay.
47:17 And--
47:18 I was wrong then.
47:19 This time, I was right with Celtics in five.
47:21 There's a chance I'm right.
47:24 Right now, the Nuggets are up by a decent amount.
47:29 So maybe they'll win.
47:30 Assuming it's Nuggets-Mavericks, a prediction for that series,
47:34 I'm going to say Nuggets in six.
47:37 Nuggets in-- we'll go six.
47:41 I'll go Nuggets in seven.
47:43 I think the Nazarene play will drag it out.
47:46 All right.
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