" Bilawal Ki Party Hamaray Peechay Pari Hui Thi Hukoomat Bananay Ke Liye " Raoof Hasan

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00:00 You give lectures on online interference and you are forcing people to intervene.

00:06 And you know who to follow.

00:08 You have spoken very directly.

00:10 Only those who have done such things know this.

00:13 We have never done such a thing.

00:16 Neither do we have the intention to do such a thing, nor do we have any motive.

00:19 We only access our followers and voters.

00:24 That is our strength.

00:27 Even today, if we say that we want to talk to the establishment,

00:31 we only want to tell them that their position is in the constitution.

00:37 The people who have been playing a super constitutional role for the past 76 years,

00:41 have brought the country to the brink of destruction.

00:43 Do you want to talk to them today?

00:44 Whenever I get the chance.

00:46 You want to talk to them?

00:48 Not only them, but we are also engaged with other political forces.

00:52 I am just suggesting that we should tell them.

00:54 Are you engaged right now?

00:56 The political parties are on our platform.

00:58 They are all trading.

01:00 You are all resisting for the same cause.

01:02 On the other side, are you engaged with PPP, PMLN, MQM?

01:06 No, not yet.

01:08 But you are concerned about this?

01:10 Many overtures have come from them.

01:12 You know that Mr. Rana Sanawal has spoken about a grand dialogue.

01:15 There are other people who are different.

01:18 I don't want to say this, Mr. Bilawal.

01:20 I object to any language being used in such conversations.

01:25 But it is their party that is behind us.

01:29 We should form a government with them.

01:31 We refused because they are mandate thieves.

01:35 They have stolen our mandate.

01:37 They have taken us in their hands many times.

01:40 Not once, but multiple times.

01:42 I am a witness to it.

01:44 But they did not say that you should form a government yourself.

01:46 They said that you should form a government with us.

01:48 Yes, they said that.

01:49 They are our partners.

01:50 We needed a majority in the assembly.

01:52 They could have come with us.

01:54 But they do not have a majority.

01:56 They met PM LN, who had a commitment with them.

02:00 We do not know in which context they are offering this.

02:03 Nadeem Azhar Chandra is on record.

02:05 There were other people.

02:06 I would not like to name them.

02:08 There were senior people.

02:10 Mr. Bilawal had sent a message to us.

02:13 Directly from the leadership of the PPP?

02:15 Yes, he had sent a message.

02:17 He said that he had expressed his desire to meet us for this purpose.

02:21 But since we had refused, the matter could not be discussed.

02:25 Sir, what is wrong with that?

02:27 You still say that the matter will be discussed with the establishment.

02:32 Ms. Mariam said that power talks to power.

02:34 Perhaps, you are using the same strategy.

02:38 You want to put pressure and talk.

02:40 On one hand, you read out their role in the constitution.

02:43 Then you ask them to come and discuss the Mandir issue, which is not in the constitution.

02:48 Your strategy is contradictory.

02:50 We are engaged with all political parties.

02:53 There are political parties with whom we have had disagreements in the past.

02:57 Even with Maulana.

02:58 Even with Maulana.

02:59 Look at the rest.

03:00 With Mahmood Khan Achchattri.

03:01 You know that Akhtar Mangal left our government after severe disagreements.

03:04 We are engaging with them as well.

03:06 We are engaged with all political forces.

03:08 We do not have any other crisis with political parties.

03:10 Except that the Mandir theft is directly beneficiary of that.

03:16 We say that we will talk to you as well if you leave your mandate.

03:20 And if you transfer the mandate to someone who has a genuine mandate, then you can sit with us.

03:24 We do not mean that we do not want to talk.

03:27 We have not drawn a line.

03:30 We have a reason.

03:32 We stand for democracy.

03:34 Democracy has been stolen.

03:37 It has been damaged.

03:39 So, undo that.

03:40 We are open to talking to them also.

03:43 You have had a meeting with a political party the other day.

03:46 And it was reported that there was a dispute between Asad Qaisar and Shibli Faraz.

03:53 But all these options were considered.

03:57 What is the overwhelming opinion in the Jamaat?

04:00 There was a misreport that there was a dispute between Shibli Faraz and Asad Qaisar.

04:07 They were talking.

04:08 But there is a difference of opinion.

04:10 So, to relate a difference of opinion with a misreport is very unfair.

04:14 I was sitting there.

04:16 In the meeting the day before yesterday, the latest offer from Rana Sinhaullah

04:24 that we are interested in a grand dialogue, we should initiate it.

04:29 They took the name of Nawaz Sharif and said that they want to open a new chapter.

04:33 And they are in favor of freeing all people including Khan Sahib and all that.

04:37 Now, the issue is that this has been discussed.

04:40 Different people have given different opinions on how to tackle this.

04:43 The issue is that we are not interested in Nawaz Sharif releasing Khan Sahib or anyone else.

04:48 We are in the cases where Khan Sahib has been sitting for 9 months.

04:52 I want to assure you that if Khan Sahib wanted to come out, he would have come out in 2-4 weeks.

05:00 A lot was happening at that time.

05:01 There was a lot happening when we were in the attack.

05:03 There were a lot of offers.

05:04 There are still lurking offers.

05:05 There are offers. What kind of offers?

05:07 They leave him.

05:09 See, because the establishment is used to kicking prime ministers out and kicking the men.

05:13 So, he refuses to be kicked out that way.

05:15 They leave him and go back to their country.

05:17 That is what happens.

05:18 The traditional kind of thing that happened with the Sharif's, with the Bhuttos, with the Zardaris.

05:22 Sir, there were international guarantees in that.

05:24 Saudis also played a role at that time.

05:26 There were written agreements.

05:27 There is no international support for Khan Sahib.

05:29 So, who will be the guarantor?

05:32 Even internally, domestically, you have made references against Chief Justice Pakistan.

05:37 The latest statement of Imran Khan Sahib has been made against the Chief of Army Staff.

05:41 Against his personality.

05:43 I mean, political parties, the rest are all democratic thieves.

05:46 No guarantor, no one can guarantee you that the understanding that is there, will come out.

05:51 That is not correct.

05:52 There is a lot of support at the international level.

05:54 I handle it.

05:55 I know exactly.

05:56 From where?

05:57 From many sides.

05:58 I can't name them.

05:59 You would understand that.

06:00 I am sure.

06:01 I can't name them.

06:02 But there is.

06:03 Of course, not just support, but massive support.

06:05 Yes, for Khan.

06:07 And I think, in a little while, you will know who was there, who played what role in that.

06:13 Everything.

06:14 Secondly, internally, the biggest support we have is from the people of Pakistan.

06:19 80% people are with us.

06:21 What else do we need for a democratic rule?

06:23 What is more important than this?

06:25 Who else's support do we need?

06:26 You have given me an impression that we don't want to talk to anyone.

06:32 We are not engaged with these three parties only now.

06:36 But it can happen.

06:38 I have not told you.

06:40 It can happen.

06:41 At least open that door.

06:42 It is an evolving situation.

06:43 I understand, sir.

06:44 Until four days ago, you were saying that this door will not open.

06:47 They are puppets.

06:48 They are not puppets.

06:49 I repeat that.

06:50 They are puppets.

06:51 But now, in order to open that door, you are having self-reflection and discussion in the

06:56 Jamaat.

06:57 That in the first phase, they should be engaged, the government, and then in the future, the

07:02 institutions should be invited and there should be a grand dialogue.

07:05 I cannot give such a definitive statement.

07:08 As I have told you, the discussion that took place the day before yesterday was that the

07:12 people gave their opinion about the oversights, initiatives, and offers that came from them.

07:17 Now, this discussion will continue.

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