" Bilawal Ki Party Hamaray Peechay Pari Hui Thi Hukoomat Bananay Ke Liye " Raoof Hasan
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00:00 You give lectures on online interference and you are forcing people to intervene.
00:06 And you know who to follow.
00:08 You have spoken very directly.
00:10 Only those who have done such things know this.
00:13 We have never done such a thing.
00:16 Neither do we have the intention to do such a thing, nor do we have any motive.
00:19 We only access our followers and voters.
00:24 That is our strength.
00:27 Even today, if we say that we want to talk to the establishment,
00:31 we only want to tell them that their position is in the constitution.
00:37 The people who have been playing a super constitutional role for the past 76 years,
00:41 have brought the country to the brink of destruction.
00:43 Do you want to talk to them today?
00:44 Whenever I get the chance.
00:46 You want to talk to them?
00:48 Not only them, but we are also engaged with other political forces.
00:52 I am just suggesting that we should tell them.
00:54 Are you engaged right now?
00:56 The political parties are on our platform.
00:58 They are all trading.
01:00 You are all resisting for the same cause.
01:02 On the other side, are you engaged with PPP, PMLN, MQM?
01:06 No, not yet.
01:08 But you are concerned about this?
01:10 Many overtures have come from them.
01:12 You know that Mr. Rana Sanawal has spoken about a grand dialogue.
01:15 There are other people who are different.
01:18 I don't want to say this, Mr. Bilawal.
01:20 I object to any language being used in such conversations.
01:25 But it is their party that is behind us.
01:29 We should form a government with them.
01:31 We refused because they are mandate thieves.
01:35 They have stolen our mandate.
01:37 They have taken us in their hands many times.
01:40 Not once, but multiple times.
01:42 I am a witness to it.
01:44 But they did not say that you should form a government yourself.
01:46 They said that you should form a government with us.
01:48 Yes, they said that.
01:49 They are our partners.
01:50 We needed a majority in the assembly.
01:52 They could have come with us.
01:54 But they do not have a majority.
01:56 They met PM LN, who had a commitment with them.
02:00 We do not know in which context they are offering this.
02:03 Nadeem Azhar Chandra is on record.
02:05 There were other people.
02:06 I would not like to name them.
02:08 There were senior people.
02:10 Mr. Bilawal had sent a message to us.
02:13 Directly from the leadership of the PPP?
02:15 Yes, he had sent a message.
02:17 He said that he had expressed his desire to meet us for this purpose.
02:21 But since we had refused, the matter could not be discussed.
02:25 Sir, what is wrong with that?
02:27 You still say that the matter will be discussed with the establishment.
02:32 Ms. Mariam said that power talks to power.
02:34 Perhaps, you are using the same strategy.
02:38 You want to put pressure and talk.
02:40 On one hand, you read out their role in the constitution.
02:43 Then you ask them to come and discuss the Mandir issue, which is not in the constitution.
02:48 Your strategy is contradictory.
02:50 We are engaged with all political parties.
02:53 There are political parties with whom we have had disagreements in the past.
02:57 Even with Maulana.
02:58 Even with Maulana.
02:59 Look at the rest.
03:00 With Mahmood Khan Achchattri.
03:01 You know that Akhtar Mangal left our government after severe disagreements.
03:04 We are engaging with them as well.
03:06 We are engaged with all political forces.
03:08 We do not have any other crisis with political parties.
03:10 Except that the Mandir theft is directly beneficiary of that.
03:16 We say that we will talk to you as well if you leave your mandate.
03:20 And if you transfer the mandate to someone who has a genuine mandate, then you can sit with us.
03:24 We do not mean that we do not want to talk.
03:27 We have not drawn a line.
03:30 We have a reason.
03:32 We stand for democracy.
03:34 Democracy has been stolen.
03:37 It has been damaged.
03:39 So, undo that.
03:40 We are open to talking to them also.
03:43 You have had a meeting with a political party the other day.
03:46 And it was reported that there was a dispute between Asad Qaisar and Shibli Faraz.
03:53 But all these options were considered.
03:57 What is the overwhelming opinion in the Jamaat?
04:00 There was a misreport that there was a dispute between Shibli Faraz and Asad Qaisar.
04:07 They were talking.
04:08 But there is a difference of opinion.
04:10 So, to relate a difference of opinion with a misreport is very unfair.
04:14 I was sitting there.
04:16 In the meeting the day before yesterday, the latest offer from Rana Sinhaullah
04:24 that we are interested in a grand dialogue, we should initiate it.
04:29 They took the name of Nawaz Sharif and said that they want to open a new chapter.
04:33 And they are in favor of freeing all people including Khan Sahib and all that.
04:37 Now, the issue is that this has been discussed.
04:40 Different people have given different opinions on how to tackle this.
04:43 The issue is that we are not interested in Nawaz Sharif releasing Khan Sahib or anyone else.
04:48 We are in the cases where Khan Sahib has been sitting for 9 months.
04:52 I want to assure you that if Khan Sahib wanted to come out, he would have come out in 2-4 weeks.
05:00 A lot was happening at that time.
05:01 There was a lot happening when we were in the attack.
05:03 There were a lot of offers.
05:04 There are still lurking offers.
05:05 There are offers. What kind of offers?
05:07 They leave him.
05:09 See, because the establishment is used to kicking prime ministers out and kicking the men.
05:13 So, he refuses to be kicked out that way.
05:15 They leave him and go back to their country.
05:17 That is what happens.
05:18 The traditional kind of thing that happened with the Sharif's, with the Bhuttos, with the Zardaris.
05:22 Sir, there were international guarantees in that.
05:24 Saudis also played a role at that time.
05:26 There were written agreements.
05:27 There is no international support for Khan Sahib.
05:29 So, who will be the guarantor?
05:32 Even internally, domestically, you have made references against Chief Justice Pakistan.
05:37 The latest statement of Imran Khan Sahib has been made against the Chief of Army Staff.
05:41 Against his personality.
05:43 I mean, political parties, the rest are all democratic thieves.
05:46 No guarantor, no one can guarantee you that the understanding that is there, will come out.
05:51 That is not correct.
05:52 There is a lot of support at the international level.
05:54 I handle it.
05:55 I know exactly.
05:56 From where?
05:57 From many sides.
05:58 I can't name them.
05:59 You would understand that.
06:00 I am sure.
06:01 I can't name them.
06:02 But there is.
06:03 Of course, not just support, but massive support.
06:05 Yes, for Khan.
06:07 And I think, in a little while, you will know who was there, who played what role in that.
06:13 Everything.
06:14 Secondly, internally, the biggest support we have is from the people of Pakistan.
06:19 80% people are with us.
06:21 What else do we need for a democratic rule?
06:23 What is more important than this?
06:25 Who else's support do we need?
06:26 You have given me an impression that we don't want to talk to anyone.
06:32 We are not engaged with these three parties only now.
06:36 But it can happen.
06:38 I have not told you.
06:40 It can happen.
06:41 At least open that door.
06:42 It is an evolving situation.
06:43 I understand, sir.
06:44 Until four days ago, you were saying that this door will not open.
06:47 They are puppets.
06:48 They are not puppets.
06:49 I repeat that.
06:50 They are puppets.
06:51 But now, in order to open that door, you are having self-reflection and discussion in the
06:56 Jamaat.
06:57 That in the first phase, they should be engaged, the government, and then in the future, the
07:02 institutions should be invited and there should be a grand dialogue.
07:05 I cannot give such a definitive statement.
07:08 As I have told you, the discussion that took place the day before yesterday was that the
07:12 people gave their opinion about the oversights, initiatives, and offers that came from them.
07:17 Now, this discussion will continue.